OFFICIAL Elizabeth Warren is awesome thread

TuffaloDeac10 said:
Chuck Schumer has endorsed Sanders every time he's ran.

Is Schumer a duck!?
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Running against a R for Vermont Senator? Hell, I would probably endorse him too.

Plus he has never been in a remotely close race anyway.
 
knowell said:
Obama is not exactly prone to compromise either. Bill Clinton reduced welfare. Reagan raised taxes. With our system of government, there has to be real compromise or there will be stalemate. That is why a pragmatist has a much better chance being a good president. The idea that Obama tried to work with the pubs on healthcare is not compromise. No republican wanted any part of that bill and neither did the majority of Americans. The way that bill got passed was going to make everything else hard going. To smooth that over, Obama would have had to take seriously something that the pubs were concerned about. I can't recall that ever happening. Also the Paul Ryan invitation and call out was the best example of how not to work with the other side.
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So the only way he was going to compromise was to capitulate to the scorched earth policy of the minority?
 
Replacing Obama, an alleged socialist by the right, with Warren, someone who actually has a considerable number of socialist views and would be the first female president, would be the absolute pinnacle of GOP hysteria.

Regarding Obama's "leftist" views, it's almost as if many GOPers claimed it so many times it became their reality.
 
TownieDeac said:
He extended the Bush tax cuts, bailed out Wall Street, and has little to no regards for civil liberties when put against the balance of national security.

It's only considering how far the GOP has gone right that Obama is considered anything other than center-left and willing to compromise.
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I'm on replay here today, but I agree again with Townie. Anyone running for the presidency from the Dems is a socialist relative to the current GOP makeup.
 
TownieDeac said:
against whom has he been combative? he's a huge puss about most things.
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Gotta agree with you here. He's softer than wet Charmin.

Unless he's perusing his drone kill list. Then he's a bad ass.
 
TownieDeac said:
against whom has he been combative? he's a huge puss about most things.
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From gleaning over reports and books over the years, Obama strikes me as somebody who thinks he is always the smartest dude in the room, and he always overestimates the amount of political capital he thinks he has accumulated. He is reclusive. Not Howard Hughes reclusive, but reclusive in his head and in that he would rather not deal with the idiots in either party. By several accounts, he has a rocky relationship with both Dems and Pubs. He has a rocky relationship with a press that fawned over him for as long as it could, which should tell you something. Again, by several accounts, his WH is the most obsessive about controlling the spin and the stories they write. All this adds up to a President who looks for what he can permissibly do within the scope of his executive powers because he doesn't want to deal with people. In the process, he comes off as petulant, like a kid who can't get what he wants. Of course, he can't get what he wants, but he refuses to look at his own role in at least adding to the toxic environment in DC (he didn't create it-- it was there long before him). Sometimes you have to just suck it up and drive on and see what you can get done within the usual-- or unusual-- boundaries. If your leadership skills aren't up to snuff, then it's best to work on them rather than taking the Fuck It approach. I fear, however, that the Fuck It approach is so engrained in his generation's thinking and every generation after that. It will get worse before it gets better.
 
TownieDeac said:
He extended the Bush tax cuts, bailed out Wall Street, and has little to no regards for civil liberties when put against the balance of national security.

It's only considering how far the GOP has gone right that Obama is considered anything other than center-left and willing to compromise.
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Bailing out Wall Street is not a compromise when both sides are so deeply in bed with them.

Obama condoning the NSA stuff and authorizing the killing of us citizens without due process definitely damages his ultra liberal creds. Pretty tough to reconcile thone positions with claims that he is left of Mao.
 
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Is it OK to have the position that Elizabeth Warren is indeed awesome in her quest to go after Citigroup, while at the same time thinking she isn't qualified to be president? That's where I am.
 
I kinda get the feeling Obama normally is the smartest guy in the room. One of those guys who is introverted a bit because he's so damn smart.

That's not intended to be a promotion one way or another of his presidency, just my opinion based on what I've read and observed.
 
TownieDeac said:
He extended the Bush tax cuts, bailed out Wall Street, and has little to no regards for civil liberties when put against the balance of national security.

It's only considering how far the GOP has gone right that Obama is considered anything other than center-left and willing to compromise.
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Yes, he extended the Bush tax cuts...and then continued to malign them in campaign speeches and blame others for their extension because it apparently wasn't exactly what he wanted. This is a small example of some of the stuff I was alluding to. Even when he supposedly compromises, he does it poorly.

Yes, he bailed out Wall Street, and I think most any President in the same situation would have in order to move on from what he viewed as an inherited problem, which it was. It wasn't his fault that the banks had taken on Too Big To Fail status, and at least they paid back their money, unlike GM. For as much harping as there is about GM and jobs saved, banks actually employ people too.

The drone shit I don't care about.
 
If your leadership skills aren't up to snuff, then it's best to work on them rather than taking the Fuck It approach. I fear, however, that the Fuck It approach is so engrained in his generation's thinking and every generation after that. It will get worse before it gets better.
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I'm still pretty convinced "leadership" is intended to cover either non-quantifiable assessments (slash subjective opinions) and or views that aren't seen as politically correct.

As to the second sentence aren't you younger or equal in age to Obama?
 
Liquid Karma said:
Is it OK to have the position that Elizabeth Warren is indeed awesome in her quest to go after Citigroup, while at the same time thinking she isn't qualified to be president? That's where I am.
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I've seen posters in here make just as impassioned spiels against Wall Street, and I wouldn't begin to think any of the bozos here are qualified to be President.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
I kinda get the feeling Obama normally is the smartest guy in the room. One of those guys who is introverted a bit because he's so damn smart.

That's not intended to be a promotion one way or another of his presidency, just my opinion based on what I've read and observed.
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This is my impression as well, though it seems confirmed by press reports over the years.
 
ChrisL68 said:
So the only way he was going to compromise was to capitulate to the scorched earth policy of the minority?
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Not exactly what I said. Our government was set up to only work with compromise or if one party holds all the power. Both sides usually have stuff they cannot or will not compromise on and somethings they will reluctantly give up. If you want to negotiate successfully you have to allow your opponent to save face and give in on the less important things. I do not think Obama is very good at that or very inclined to do it.
 
knowell said:
Not exactly what I said. Our government was set up to only work with compromise or if one party holds all the power. Both sides usually have stuff they cannot or will not compromise on and somethings they will reluctantly give up. If you want to negotiate successfully you have to allow your opponent to save face and give in on the less important things. I do not think Obama is very good at that or very inclined to do it.
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He was dying to have some moderate Republicans join in and was willing to give up several little things to get that done.
 
Liquid Karma said:
Is it OK to have the position that Elizabeth Warren is indeed awesome in her quest to go after Citigroup, while at the same time thinking she isn't qualified to be president? That's where I am.
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Sure. Is there anybody more qualified than Warren who will go after Citigroup as president or even as a presidential candidate?
 
If you are talking about healthcare, there was just no way republicans were signing on to that. It has killed all of the dem senators in red states and would have killed any pub senator in almost any state. That bill just could not be made palatable. There was something like 35% approval overall and probably 5-10% republican approval on that bill.
 
TownieDeac said:
Yet if the exact same bill with the exact same wording were put forth by Romney as he wrote it in Mass, it would have had soaring approval from the right.
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I don't think so. Pubs hated that bill and would have turned their back on Romney if he had tried to go national with that. The pubs basically put up with it figuring it was in Massachusetts and he did what he had to do in a liberal state.
 
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