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CROOKED Hilary

5 times Hillary Clinton has played fast and loose with the facts on Bernie Sanders’s record
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She'll take a vote Sanders has made in his 25 years of Congress and gloss over most, if not all, of the details about it. The result is a carefully worded insinuation or even outright accusation that Sanders has voted against his base on everything from immigration to the auto bailout to fossil fuels.
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Indeed, Clinton is putting Sanders in a position where he has to explain votes on complicated, convoluted legislation that often falls victim to arcane Senate procedure. That's difficult to do in 30, 60 or even 90 seconds.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/10/5-times-hillary-clinton-has-played-fast-and-loose-with-the-facts-on-bernie-sanderss-record/
 
It's astounding to me that Clinton gets away with allying with Obama when her and her campaign dedicated five years to shitting on him with the hopes of getting elected. Her record is meh and she's more than qualified for the job, but I'm so sick of the bullshit Clinton machine doing what it does.

Hillary just kept blatantly lying last night. The Minutemen lie was so utterly inappropriate from someone campaigning to be president.
 
Strickland33 said:
It's astounding to me that Clinton gets away with allying with Obama when her and her campaign dedicated five years to shitting on him with the hopes of getting elected. Her record is meh and she's more than qualified for the job, but I'm so sick of the bullshit Clinton machine doing what it does.

Hillary just kept blatantly lying last night. The Minutemen lie was so utterly inappropriate from someone campaigning to be president.
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Hmmm, now that you mention it......

Seems like I remember something about that Clinton machine, too.
 
Strickland33 said:
It's astounding to me that Clinton gets away with allying with Obama when her and her campaign dedicated five years to shitting on him with the hopes of getting elected. Her record is meh and she's more than qualified for the job, but I'm so sick of the bullshit Clinton machine doing what it does.

Hillary just kept blatantly lying last night. The Minutemen lie was so utterly inappropriate from someone campaigning to be president.
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She's a one plus term senator who was appointed SOS to please the establishment. Much of what counts as "experience" is as First Lady.
 
PhDeac said:
She's a one plus term senator who was appointed SOS to please the establishment. Much of what counts as "experience" is as First Lady.
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And then bungled that (and lied about it).

She's right in that she's not a natural politician. She's a natural politician's wife.
 
Strickland33 said:
It's astounding to me that Clinton gets away with allying with Obama when her and her campaign dedicated five years to shitting on him with the hopes of getting elected. Her record is meh and she's more than qualified for the job, but I'm so sick of the bullshit Clinton machine doing what it does.

Hillary just kept blatantly lying last night. The Minutemen lie was so utterly inappropriate from someone campaigning to be president.
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Yet Obama prefers her to your guy.
 
 
Bernie does the same shit; your man is not above the fray, Bernie Bros. He's been a politician for decades:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-anderson/the-big-bernie-sanders-li_b_9097284.html

"But the Sanders campaign has recently made several accusations implying that his record of support is pure whereas Clinton's record is spotty at best, alluding to her somewhat late "evolution" on marriage equality. Sanders' complaints amplified when HRC, America's largest gay rights group endorsed Hillary Clinton for president. Shortly after that at an event in Iowa Sander's high profile supporter, actress Susan Sarandon, attacked Clinton's record by stating, ""It's one thing to be for gay rights and gay marriage once everybody else is for it."

But here's the rub. Bernie Sanders was NOT always a supporter of marriage equality for gay people. Mark Joseph Stern who covers Law and LGBT issues for Slate, is one of the few reporters to actually research Bernie's gay rights record and his report shows that, in fact, as recently as 2006 Bernie Sanders was arguing AGAINST marriage equality on a national level because he said that States should have the power to deny gay citizens the right marry. And even though Sanders also got a lot of media attention for his past stance of being one of the few against DOMA, there again if you look at his actual record he never expressed any desire for marriage equality for LGBT Citizens, rather he opposed DOMA because he felt it infringed on the powers of the State."
 
Shooshmoo said:
Bernie does the same shit; your man is not above the fray, Bernie Bros. He's been a politician for decades:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-anderson/the-big-bernie-sanders-li_b_9097284.html

"But the Sanders campaign has recently made several accusations implying that his record of support is pure whereas Clinton's record is spotty at best, alluding to her somewhat late "evolution" on marriage equality. Sanders' complaints amplified when HRC, America's largest gay rights group endorsed Hillary Clinton for president. Shortly after that at an event in Iowa Sander's high profile supporter, actress Susan Sarandon, attacked Clinton's record by stating, ""It's one thing to be for gay rights and gay marriage once everybody else is for it."

But here's the rub. Bernie Sanders was NOT always a supporter of marriage equality for gay people. Mark Joseph Stern who covers Law and LGBT issues for Slate, is one of the few reporters to actually research Bernie's gay rights record and his report shows that, in fact, as recently as 2006 Bernie Sanders was arguing AGAINST marriage equality on a national level because he said that States should have the power to deny gay citizens the right marry. And even though Sanders also got a lot of media attention for his past stance of being one of the few against DOMA, there again if you look at his actual record he never expressed any desire for marriage equality for LGBT Citizens, rather he opposed DOMA because he felt it infringed on the powers of the State."
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Does Sarandon work for the Sanders campaign?

Clinton is just doing what her machine is known for, dog whistles and character assassination. But it's only screwed up when Karl Rove does it, eh?
 
Strickland33 said:
Does Sarandon work for the Sanders campaign?

Clinton is just doing what her machine is known for, dog whistles and character assassination. But it's only screwed up when Karl Rove does it, eh?
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Sanders has been bashing her on gay rights support -- “It is great to be for gay rights after you insult the entire gay community by supporting DOMA,” Sanders said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/28/sanders-knocks-clinton-for-changing-positions-on-iraq-and-other-key-issues/

It's politics - as usual, Clinton is held to a higher standard than everyone else for some reason. Bernie plays the game as well. I'm not mad at him for it and I'm not going to whine about it.
 
Shooshmoo said:
Sanders has been bashing her on gay rights support -- “It is great to be for gay rights after you insult the entire gay community by supporting DOMA,” Sanders said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/28/sanders-knocks-clinton-for-changing-positions-on-iraq-and-other-key-issues/

It's politics - as usual, Clinton is held to a higher standard than everyone else for some reason. Bernie plays the game as well. I'm not mad at him for it and I'm not going to whine about it.
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The 3rd comment at this link seems to blow your article out of the water.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511090625
 
Here is Bernie Sanders attacking the character of 18 private citizens (which is much more disgraceful than attacking a political opponent IMO) based on a variety of dubious dog whistle analyses by labor backed groups in order to score cheap political points.

Basically, if you make a lot of money in business, you are subject to having your character impugned by Sanders and his brigade of populist labor warriors.

http://www.trueactivist.com/18-ceos...-bailouts-evading-taxes-and-outsourcing-jobs/
 
Make a lot of money or offshore the money while still accepting government bailouts?
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
Make a lot of money or offshore the money while still accepting government bailouts?
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The US is the really the only major world economy that even attempts to tax foreign earnings. Because of that we allow US companies with foreign subsidiaries to defer taxation in the US as long as they don't repatriate the money. Without that, US companies couldn't compete overseas paying a 35% tax rate while local competitors were paying 15% to 20% tax rate. They could undercut the US company by 20% just based on the tax savings.

So the entire "offshoring" argument is mostly a canard by pro-labor anti-business forces.

When he says eliminate offshore tax havens, what he really means is to force US companies to pay the US tax rate on worldwide earnings. One of the worst ideas ever.
 
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So, honest question, all the money in Cayman tax shelters from the article, assuming it's accurate, was made by the listed companies overseas?
 
Nice to see you standing up for the little guy Chris.
The list of 18 CEO’s follows:

1) Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $1.9 billion tax refund.

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? Over $1.3 trillion.

Amount of federal income taxes Bank of America would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $2.6 billion.

2) Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero. $278 million tax refund.

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? $824 billion.

Amount of federal income taxes Goldman Sachs would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $2.7 billion

3) JP Morgan Chase CEO James Dimon

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? $416 billion.

Amount of federal income taxes JP Morgan Chase would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $4.9 billion.

4) General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $3.3 billion tax refund.

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve? $16 billion.

Jobs Shipped Overseas? At least 25,000 since 2001.

5) Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $705 million tax refund.

American Jobs Cut in 2010? In 2010, Verizon announced 13,000 job cuts, the third highest corporate layoff total that year.

6) Boeing CEO James McNerney, Jr.

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? None. $124 million tax refund.

American Jobs Shipped overseas? Over 57,000.

Amount of Corporate Welfare? At least $58 billion.

7) Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer

Amount of federal income taxes Microsoft would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $19.4 billion.

8) Honeywell International CEO David Cote

Amount of federal income taxes paid from 2008-2010? Zero. $34 million tax refund.

9) Corning CEO Wendell Weeks

Amount of federal income taxes paid from 2008-2010? Zero. $4 million tax refund.

10) Time Warner CEO Glenn Britt

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero. $74 million tax refund.

11). Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2009? Zero. $55 million tax refund.

12) Deere & Company CEO Samuel Allen

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2009? Zero. $1 million tax refund.

13) Marsh & McLennan Companies CEO Brian Duperreault

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $90 million refund.

14) Qualcomm CEO Paul Jacobs

Amount of federal income taxes Qualcomm would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $4.7 billion.

15) Tenneco CEO Gregg Sherill

Amount of federal income taxes Tenneco would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $269 million.

16) Express Scripts CEO George Paz

Amount of federal income taxes Express Scripts would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $20 million.

17) Caesars Entertainment CEO Gary Loveman

Amount of federal income taxes Caesars Entertainment would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $9 million.

18). R.R. Donnelly & Sons CEO Thomas Quinlan III

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero. $49 million tax refund.

As PoliticusUSA discloses, eighteen of the 80 CEOs who signed the call for deficit action are actually some of the biggest outsourcers and tax cheats in America. Not only did they crash the economy in 2008, they followed that incident by taking billions in taxpayer bailout dollars.

Then, they outsourced jobs and evaded taxes. It’s pretty unbelievable, then, that they are now calling for action on a deficit that they helped create over the past four years.
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