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NFL Offseason Thread: NFL Draft - Rams pick Goff #1

bmoneydeac said:
Exactly. PFF is pretty far from #advancedstats and #kenpom and #millennialbullshit
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They assign arbitrary numbers to qualitative observations. Their opinion is no better or worse than anyone else's. They then tabulate their fabricated stats in an attempt to make them look scientific when the underlying measurements are really just bullshit worthless opinions.
 
Football player evaluation has relied upon bullshit worthless opinions for a century.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
They assign arbitrary numbers to qualitative observations. Their opinion is no better or worse than anyone else's. They then tabulate their fabricated stats in an attempt to make them look scientific when the underlying measurements are really just bullshit worthless opinions.
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This is great.

Are all stats arbitrary numbers for qualitative observations?
 
Wonder which #kenpommillennial came up with the 1-10 scale for attractiveness.
 
TownieDeac said:
This is great.

Are all stats arbitrary numbers for qualitative observations?
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I would hope not. How many yards a RB runs for, how many TDs and yards a QB throws for, how many receptions a WR has, are not arbitrary, they are measured. Assigning a QB a -2 for throwing an INT off his back foot or giving a OL a +3 for a pancake are arbitrary numbers for qualitative observations.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
I would hope not. How many yards a RB runs for, how many TDs and yards a QB throws for, how many receptions a WR has, are not arbitrary, they are measured. Assigning a QB a -2 for throwing an INT off his back foot or giving a OL a +3 for a pancake are arbitrary numbers for qualitative observations.
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Fine, but similarly, QBs shouldn't be punished when their WRs drop a ball when we're assessing their accuracy. If a QB hits a WR in stride between the numbers and the WR drops the ball, it's an incompletion by the measurable stats. PFF grades it as a positive for the QB and a negative for the WR.
 
But that's bullshit, the QB's job is to provide a ball that the WR can catch. If he drops it, that is partly on the QB, for a myriad of potential reasons. The fact is that it was an incompletion and should be treated as such. If Cam throws a catchable pass to Ginn that Ginn drops, that should be partly on Cam for throwing it to Ginn in the first place knowing that he is likely to drop it. You are arbitrarily giving a positive to the QB for something that may very well just have been a negative, because you are assuming that the fault is all on the WR.
 
Agree to disagree. The PFF system is great.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
But that's bullshit, the QB's job is to provide a ball that the WR can catch. If he drops it, that is partly on the QB, for a myriad of potential reasons. The fact is that it was an incompletion and should be treated as such. If Cam throws a catchable pass to Ginn that Ginn drops, that should be partly on Cam for throwing it to Ginn in the first place knowing that he is likely to drop it. You are arbitrarily giving a positive to the QB for something that may very well just have been a negative, because you are assuming that the fault is all on the WR.
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How much fault for ODB's drop against the Panthers goes to ELIte?
 
100% equal. Both entirely at fault.
 
Do they not teach an introduction to statistics course at Wake?

2&2's #hottakes continue to amaze.
 
bmoneydeac said:
How much fault for ODB's drop against the Panthers goes to ELIte?
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Not much, because ODB usually makes that catch, so it is a smart throw by ELIte. If that was Ginn dropping it, it would have been more ELIte's fault because he knows there is about a 40% chance he drops it when he throws it.
 
Strickland33 said:
Do they not teach an introduction to statistics course at Wake?

2&2's #hottakes continue to amaze.
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Sure. They also teach more advanced stats classes which I aced relatively easily. But these aren't actual stats. They are some dudes assigning their own arbitrary numbers to a bunch of factors and then trying to pass them off as stats.
 
Not sure where this fits in this argument, but Earned Run Average is a old and venerated statistic that depends on the judgement of the scorekeeper as to what is an error and absolves the pitcher the blame for those runs scored as a result of the error. Very analogous to to the PFF type of statistic.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Not much, because ODB usually makes that catch, so it is a smart throw by ELIte. If that was Ginn dropping it, it would have been more ELIte's fault because he knows there is about a 40% chance he drops it when he throws it.
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Did ELIte know ole boy was going to have a helmet catch in the SB?
 
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