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College Football Final Four

DeacMan said:
Nothing is purely "arbitrary". Who do you think are the four best teams this year? Do you really think your list is going to vary much from the norm?

As of today Alabama, Clemson and Washington are going to be on almost every list. Most people will have Ohio State on their list.

Why should we hand Wisconsin a shot at a national title if they win tomorrow? Just because they had the good fortunate of playing in a division with Minnesota?

Michigan State and Iowa played for the Big Ten title last year. They both went out and completely crapped the bed in their "bowl" games. They lost by a combined score of 83-16. Neither one deserved to be in the college football playoff. And I don't care how many games they won in the Big Ten last year or who they beat in that league. They didn't belong.
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Wisconsin will have beaten the winner of the other division, and they played at Michigan and list by a TD on a bomb, and lost in OT to Oh St Ater controlling the game (much like Michigan). They also beat LSU and an Iowa team on the road, a team that beat Michigan. They had an incredibly tough schedule. Not going to matter though, because Washington and Clemson are going to win. Washington is going to lose by 100 points against bama.
 
DeacMan said:
Nothing is purely "arbitrary". Who do you think are the four best teams this year? Do you really think your list is going to vary much from the norm?

As of today Alabama, Clemson and Washington are going to be on almost every list. Most people will have Ohio State on their list.

Why should we hand Wisconsin a shot at a national title if they win tomorrow? Just because they had the good fortunate of playing in a division with Minnesota?

Michigan State and Iowa played for the Big Ten title last year. They both went out and completely crapped the bed in their "bowl" games. They lost by a combined score of 83-16. Neither one deserved to be in the college football playoff. And I don't care how many games they won in the Big Ten last year or who they beat in that league. They didn't belong.
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Wisconsin will have beaten the winner of the other division, and they played at Michigan and lost by a TD on a bomb, and lost in OT to Oh St after controlling the game (much like Michigan). They also beat LSU and an Iowa team on the road, a team that beat Michigan. They had an incredibly tough schedule. Not going to matter though, because Washington and Clemson are going to win. Washington is going to lose by 100 points against bama.
 
IMO Washington has a way better chance against Alabama than Wisconsin or Penn St.

Still not much of one, but significantly better
 
wsc8521s said:
IMO Washington has a way better chance against Alabama than Wisconsin or Penn St.

Still not much of one, but significantly better
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Completely disagree. Not much of a difference in the top 4 of the B10. PAC 12 is weak this year. USC is the best team.
 
wsc8521s said:
IMO Washington has a way better chance against Alabama than Wisconsin or Penn St or Ohio State.

Still not much of one, but significantly better
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FIFY

Clemson and Washington have a better chance than any of the Big 10 teams.

In its last 2 games, Ohio State beat Michigan St by 1 point when Sparty decided to go for 2 and the win, and they beat Michigan after looking completely inept on offense for 3.5 quarters (17 points in regulation - 1 td from a pick 6 and 1 td when their defense got them the ball on the Michigan 13)
 
Watching the WMU vs Ohio game right now. Is it fair that WMU doesn't get a chance at the natty with an undefeated season? It would be cool to do a 6 team playoff with a play-in game between the #4 seed and the "Group of 5 winner". You could hold it next weekend since there are no games (besides army vs navy) and they would still have 3 weeks to prepare for the first playoff game.
 
timthedeac said:
FIFY

Clemson and Washington have a better chance than any of the Big 10 teams.

In its last 2 games, Ohio State beat Michigan St by 1 point when Sparty decided to go for 2 and the win, and they beat Michigan after looking completely inept on offense for 3.5 quarters (17 points in regulation - 1 td from a pick 6 and 1 td when their defense got them the ball on the Michigan 13)
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Ohio state beat Oklahoma by a ton, and Michigan spanked Colorado. Wisconsin beat LSU, which gave Bama it's toughest game of the year. Not saying anything about Clemson, but Washington will get destroyed by Bama.
 
Michigan did not spank Colorado. Colorado was winning in the second half when their starting QB got knocked out of the game.

Washington had a bad day against USC, but they've been consistently impressive otherwise
 
Hope W.Mich gets the Cotton. Apparently if Navy jumps them they might wind up playing 5-7 North Texas. That would blow
 
Shooshmoo said:
Ohio state beat Oklahoma by a ton, and Michigan spanked Colorado. Wisconsin beat LSU, which gave Bama it's toughest game of the year. Not saying anything about Clemson, but Washington will get destroyed by Bama.
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Agree to disagree.

If Washington and Clemson are both impressive this weekend, I hope the committee rewards them with the Fiesta and makes OSU go through Bama.
 
timthedeac said:
Agree to disagree.

If Washington and Clemson are both impressive this weekend, I hope the committee rewards them with the Fiesta and makes OSU go through Bama.
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This is the correct thing to do, if OSU makes the final four. OSU is still in, and respects the conference champions.
 
Washington is making a statement as of right now. Peterson can flat out coach em up.
 
Shooshmoo said:
Wisconsin will have beaten the winner of the other division, and they played at Michigan and list by a TD on a bomb, and lost in OT to Oh St Ater controlling the game (much like Michigan). They also beat LSU and an Iowa team on the road, a team that beat Michigan. They had an incredibly tough schedule. Not going to matter though, because Washington and Clemson are going to win. Washington is going to lose by 100 points against bama.
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Wisconsin is a good, solid team. The fact they are even in the conversation of having a chance to play for the national title, however, is comical. They simply lack the overall athleticism to win two games against very strong competition. As soon as they play a team that can match them physically and offers more athleticism (and that is exactly what a real Top 5 team and many teams outside the Top 5 who don't play in the Big Ten can offer) they won't be able to score. Can they win a game against a team like Clemson. Sure. But that differential in athleticism (and depth) makes winning a big challenge and the risk of a lopsided game somewhat high against them. And, to be clear, they'll face two teams like that if they make the playoff (and neither one will be named Penn State). We all know it is true.

And this notion of their great schedule rings hollow because there is just some incredible dog shit on their schedule. We're not talking even mediocre. We're talking serious crap. Five of their wins came against teams that just suck and put up a combined record of 17-42 - Purdue (3-9), Illinois (3-9), Michigan State (3-9), Georgia State (3-8), Akron (5-7). They also took out a 6-6 Northwestern team whose only win against a team with a winning record was against Iowa. The Wildcats' wins were generally against the same pile of crap listed above.

As crappy as the SEC looked this year, Wisconsin wouldn't be a 2 loss team if they played an SEC slate. That isn't because the Big Ten lacks quality. It simply lacks depth. You can spare me the talk about how playing Minnesota equates to playing Auburn or Tennessee or aTm or Ole Miss. No one where I live - in Minneapolis - believes it. It simply isn't the same thing. And as shitty as teams like Mizzou and Vandy are on paper they still win more than three damn games.
 
timthedeac said:
Agree to disagree.

If Washington and Clemson are both impressive this weekend, I hope the committee rewards them with the Fiesta and makes OSU go through Bama.
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Washington is a mortal lock now. But looking at their overall resume there is no way they deserve to be ahead of OSU if OSU gets into the dance. Washington won 7 games against teams that had losing records. And, to my surprise, their strength of schedule is 138th in the nation heading into tonight's game. Ohio State's is 12th.

FWIW, Bama has the 6th ranked schedule. Clemson is 13th.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
Such a stupid argument.
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Hopefully the Badgers get to play someone like Florida State (a 3 loss ACC team) in a bowl game. We'll then see how stupid that argument is. There is a difference between being good and having a real chance to win the national title.

Iowa had an awesome season last year in the Big Ten. And then faced McCaffrey and Stanford. Ouch.

Northwestern went 9-3 in the Big Ten last year. Then they drew 8-4 Tennessee. Ouch.

Michigan State drew Bama. They were humiliated. Clemson wasn't.

Hell, two years ago Wisconsin had a great season and then played OSU in the conference championship . . . and lost by 73.

Horses for courses.
 
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