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Lions Hire Jim Caldwell as Head Coach

so much stupid here

it won't be exclusively his fault, no

i think by all accounts caldwell is a great dude

i don't want him as the head coach of the team i support

i really wanted a slam dunk hire, for once, in the history of the fucking organization, and i got gentleman jim caldwell

again, no idea why i expected anything better; in the lions long history, with 26 head coaches overall, they have had 7 with winning records, so why hire a winner now? the most successful lions coaching tenure since 1972 was interim coach gary moeller going 7-4 to close the 2000 season. everyone else has been below .500.

but i should be counting my blessings as a lions fan

FUCK. THIS. SHIT.

Simmer down, sweetie. We're talking the goddamned Lions, not Niners or Steelers or Patriots. It's not there's some tidal wave of great history that's being disrupted here. Detroit's first choice said no thanks. That should tell you there's something more at work. I can't say if this will or will not work but I can say that whatever Caldwell achieves in Detroit will always be a step below whatever his haters allege they expected. Detroit has some major talent and needs a players coach to get through and bring it together. Caldwell is that type of coach. Will it work in Detroit? Probably not. And he'll take the blame. So I'm not sure what is "so much stupid" as much as it's frustration.

And yes, it could be worse. You could be a Browns fan.
 
And yes, it could be worse. You could be a Browns fan.

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On the bright side, if you're going to run the Shovel-Pass Offense, Calvin Johnson is a good guy to do it with.
 
Interesting Grantland column. A few things to note about the Ravens offense collapse this year: a) Ray Rice aged 30 years in the off-season (I know because he was on my fantasy team; he sucked every week; while the line play declined, Rice had no wiggle and no burst and may retire; he was a shell of the player that he had been); b) losing Anquan Boldin and Dennis Pitta were huge; c) Flacco was hurt for the second half of the season; d) the Ravens o-line was depleted and awful. Not saying that Caldwell had nothing to do with the Ravens struggles, just that there were multiple causes and it is too simplistic to blame it all on the OC.

Caldwell's playcalling was part of the problem. He was too predictable, and Mike Preston of the Sun wrote that our OTs were even tipping plays with their stances. Flacco was bad statistically, but other than a few games, played pretty well for a QB who had zero running game and zero time to throw. He did lose his 2 chain movers in Boldin and Pitta as well. But the biggest problem was the OL. Our starting LG was injured, and Birk's replacement at C, Gradkowski, was terrible. That said, Oher and Yanda has substandard years as well. There were scheme changes before the season and then again in midseason. Add to that Pierce was occasionally nicked up and Rice overweight and nicked up. That said, Caldwell was a good influence with Flacco (the anti-Cameron), and I think he'll be similarly good with Stafford.
 
Simmer down, sweetie. We're talking the goddamned Lions, not Niners or Steelers or Patriots. It's not there's some tidal wave of great history that's being disrupted here. Detroit's first choice said no thanks. That should tell you there's something more at work. I can't say if this will or will not work but I can say that whatever Caldwell achieves in Detroit will always be a step below whatever his haters allege they expected. Detroit has some major talent and needs a players coach to get through and bring it together. Caldwell is that type of coach. Will it work in Detroit? Probably not. And he'll take the blame. So I'm not sure what is "so much stupid" as much as it's frustration.

And yes, it could be worse. You could be a Browns fan.

i know we're talking about Little Old Lions, quite an "LOL" situation, maybe just maybe i had a glimmer of hope that a coach might want to be a part of one of the best receivers of all time in calvin johnson, just like i once thought somebody might want to get a team together around barry sanders but NOPE

the players LOVED jim schwartz

he didn't make them run or do conditioning

he never benched them for penalties

he tried to cover up DUIs at every turn

he never said shit to stafford about his throws

no, what the team needs is not a players coach, they need a disciplined system coach with a proven track record of success and a willingness to adapt to the rapidly changing schemes of the NFL

and i'm not going to be one of the people piling on caldwell until he starts making the same kinds of mistakes he has made throughout his career like "the timeout"

from now until then, this is squarely on the front office of the lions, like i said

yea i'm taking my frustration on you, but you also don't seem to get it

also the browns at least made one move industry people respect in the past five years with the richardson deal this year
 
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rumored list of candidates who, while better than jim schwartz, reportedly turned down the lions job:

rjkarl
Steed Lobotzke
Matt Doherty
Titus Young
the guys who throw cinder blocks off bridges at cars in detroit and then steal their shit
a sponge
an empty headset

Exactly how I feel.
 
yea i'm taking my frustration on you, but you also don't seem to get it

I'm lifelong Bears fan. I get it quite well. But I also like Jim Caldwell. And while that is the case, I can certainly divorce my like for him from recognizing he has to accomplish success in Detroit. Tell you what: I'll get the Bears to trade Cutler and some 4th round picks to Detroit for Suh and Megatron. Will that make everything okay??
 
Yeah, Jim Caldwell will be the reason the Lions don't win a Super Bowl. Got nothing to do with the fact that Detroit has a QB that makes Cutler look good...

All the Caldwell haters will be here in a year chiming in about how they called it when the Lions don't win the NFC... or make the playoffs... or whatever the ridiculous threshold will be.


Caldwell is not going to be the only reason, but he is also not going to get them closer to the Super Bowl, either. Now if they had hired him two years ago and he brought Peyton with him, that's a different story.
 
If Caldwell can convince Stafford to stop throwing the football like it's a hotplate, I like his chances of turning the Lions into a playoff contender.

Maybe for a year. Then things will go steadily downhill, just like they did in Indianapolis
 
Caldwell is not going to be the only reason, but he is also not going to get them closer to the Super Bowl, either. Now if they had hired him two years ago and he brought Peyton with him, that's a different story.

You may be right but he gets them 3 rings closer to Super Bowl experience than they've been in quite some time.
 
Truth. There's no Peyton Manning asterisk next to the Ravens Super Bowl season and it should tip the scales of public opinion of whether Caldwell is actually a really good coach. But whether you think he's a good coach, there is no question that he is a good man who reflects positively on Wake Forest and we should applaud, instead of mock, this decision.

This is true, coach Caldwell is a great man. I guess nice guys don't finish last, except at Wake.
 
I'm lifelong Bears fan. I get it quite well. But I also like Jim Caldwell. And while that is the case, I can certainly divorce my like for him from recognizing he has to accomplish success in Detroit. Tell you what: I'll get the Bears to trade Cutler and some 4th round picks to Detroit for Suh and Megatron. Will that make everything okay??

lions are 1-7 in the playoffs in my lifetime; bears are 6-9 with a super bowl loss

at least you have '85
and a winning record since you joined the north
and more regular season and overall victories than any other team in the nfl
 
Well, the Bears have been around since 1920 so...

But what I meant was that I stay up on the NFC North so I know about the Lions fans' pains. So how about my trade offer?
 
lions are 1-7 in the playoffs in my lifetime; bears are 6-9 with a super bowl loss

at least you have '85
and a winning record since you joined the north
and more regular season and overall victories than any other team in the nfl

And I still maintain that, as much as their fans complain about Stafford and Cutler, the Lions and Bears have the best QBs they've had since Layne & Luckman. Which helps explain those playoff records you posted.
 
And I still maintain that, as much as their fans complain about Stafford and Cutler, the Lions and Bears have the best QBs they've had since Layne & Luckman. Which helps explain those playoff records you posted.

Stafford is, by the numbers, the best QB the Lions have ever had.
 
He's also garbage. Garbage at decision making, reads, accuracy, escaping rushes, mechanics, pretty much everything.

Irish nailed it talking about our strategy of just pulling together a bunch of 6'6" guys like Megatron and Pettigrew and Durham together instead of addressing Stafford's overthrow problem.
 
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And I still maintain that, as much as their fans complain about Stafford and Cutler, the Lions and Bears have the best QBs they've had since Layne & Luckman. Which helps explain those playoff records you posted.

Well, in the context of Chicago, it simply underscores the horrible history they've had at QB. I'm stunned that Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell never suited up for the Bears.
 
FWIW, as disadvantaged as WF football has been over the last 10 years in facilities and financial commitment, the situation was far worse when Caldwell coached at WF. You know the locker-rooms that everyone whines about now? Caldwell coached WF before they were even renovated. No Deacon Tower. Much more limited budget to hire a staff. Programs like ECU, funded their football program to a much greater degree than WF in those days as there was no big money ACC football contract, and revenue was largely a function of ticket sales. Really think that it's short-sighted to hold Caldwell's record at WF from 1993 to 1999 against him when evaluating how he will do with the Lions from 2014 on. Apples and oranges.

So did Grobe.
 
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