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The Presidential Debate

bobknightfan said:
You know, PH, if someone for whom I had any respect compared me to Bernie Madoff I would be disappointed and/or upset....but since it was you I just consider the source and dismiss it.
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Posting like this isn't how you dismiss something.

And I didn't compare you to Madoff. Anybody who understands English realizes that.

I simply used Madoff as a reason why it doesn't matter that your clients call you. You act like you're the only person who people contact them to ask them to do their job.
 
bobknightfan said:
Well, if you have read that stuff why can't answer my question in an understandable way? When you say WF "meets 99% of the need, what does that mean? If the cost is $49,000/year how much of that is the average WF student paying out of his own pocket? That is all I am asking? What's the difference between "meeting the need" and "paying part of the cost thru scholarships, etc.?

Please don't tell me that WF helping students get loans equals "meeting the need". I understand scholarships, but making it possible for students to get loans isn't "meeting the need"....or lowering the cost in any way.
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EFC is the measure of a family's financial strength and is calculated by a formula determined by the federal government. It considers income, assests, and benefits.

The Wake graduate is paying whatever FAFSA says their EFC is plus the $34,745 they take out in loans.

That same student at UNC would pay the same EFC plus the $18,945 in loans.
 
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DistrictDeacon said:
EFC is the measure of a family's financial strength and is calculated by a formula determined by the federal government. It considers income, assests, and benefits.

The Wake graduate is paying whatever FAFSA says their EFC is plus the $34,745 they take out in loans.

That same student at UNC would pay the same EFC plus the $18,945 in loans.
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Well, we are talking about two different things. I'm not talking about a family's relative financial strength. Obviously, more wealthy families can afford higher tuition costs and might have to borrow less money than lower income families...no matter which college they chose or how much it cost.

All I have been saying is that a "Mythical Person X" who lives in North Carolina should not choose WF at $49K over UNC at $9K.....if the decision is based upon financial reasons. A WF degree is not worth 5.4x the same degree at UNC, in my opinion.

Actually, you never really disputed the actual cost numbers....only the relative ability of families to pay that cost. Basically, all you have said is that the average student who goes to WF can usually afford to pay more out of pocket than the average student who goes to UNC, as measured by your FAFSA formula. That shouldn't surprise anyone. The question is whether that student is getting 5.4x the value at WF...even if he can afford it. All I've been talking about is that for a generic person, without factoring in any family finances, I don't think a WF degree is worth 5.4 times a UNC degree.

The bottom line is that for a person who lives in North Carolina, Wake Forest costs a lot more than UNC. A hell of a lot more. And unless a person's family has a heckuva lot of money or the student is getting a heckuva lot of scholarship money, he or she shouldn't even think about going to Wake Forest instead of UNC.

When I went to WF the total cost...everything....was $2,300/year. I wouldn't even think about going to WF today...even if I wanted to. (And after listening to some of the people on these boards who have gone to WF in the last several years, I don't think I would want to go there, anyway. WF has turned into a really big-time snob school. The feeling of self-importance and conceit is overpowering, as posters are constantly showing their contempt & disdain for people who did not go to WF.)
 
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bobknightfan said:
Well, we are talking about two different things. I'm not talking about a family's relative financial strength. Obviously, more wealthy families can afford higher tuition costs and might have to borrow less money than lower income families...no matter which college they chose or how much it cost.

All I have been saying is that a "Mythical Person X" who lives in North Carolina should not choose WF at $49K over UNC at $9K.....if the decision is based upon financial reasons. A WF degree is not worth 5.4x the same degree at UNC, in my opinion.

Actually, you never really disputed the actual cost numbers....only the relative ability of families to pay that cost. Basically, all you have said is that the average student who goes to WF can usually afford to pay more out of pocket than the average student who goes to UNC, as measured by your FAFSA formula. That shouldn't surprise anyone. The question is whether that student is getting 5.4x the value at WF...even if he can afford it. All I've been talking about is that for a generic person, without factoring in any family finances, I don't think a WF degree is worth 5.4 times a UNC degree.

The bottom line is that for a person who lives in North Carolina, Wake Forest costs a lot more than UNC. A hell of a lot more. And unless a person's family has a heckuva lot of money or the student is getting a heckuva lot of scholarship money, he or she shouldn't even think about going to Wake Forest instead of UNC.

When I went to WF the total cost...everything....was $2,300/year. I wouldn't even think about going to WF today...even if I wanted to. (And after listening to some of the people on these boards who have gone to WF in the last several years, I don't think I would want to go there, anyway. WF has turned into a really big-time snob school. The feeling of self-importance and conceit is overpowering, as posters are constantly showing their contempt & disdain for people who did not go to WF.)
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But you still seem to refuse that for those applying for financial aid, Wake is not 5.4x the price. For the average graduate, it's $16k more expensive.
 
bym051d said:
Nobody's brought up the debate commission admitting Trump's mic wasn't working in-room correctly?

Not that it matters since the audience was asked not to make noise and the TV broadcast was fine.
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I didn't really notice any mic problems, but you can guarantee Trump did if he had them, which apparently he did. Have you ever sang karaoke with a bad mic or monitor setup? Or been in a band with one? If you can't hear yourself, it's very distracting.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
I didn't really notice any mic problems, but you can guarantee Trump did if he had them, which apparently he did. Have you ever sang karaoke with a bad mic or monitor setup? Or been in a band with one? If you can't hear yourself, it's very distracting.
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Not only did they give him a fucked up mic, but when Trump mentioned after the debate he was ridiculed by the people on CNN who implied he was lying. No bias there.
 
There's a word for a man who embarrasses himself and gets his ass thoroughly kicked in a Presidential debate, then whines about the microphone even though all 100 million people who watched the debate heard every stupid word he said.
 
Trump said some great words during the debate, big words, important words - but we couldn't hear them because his mic was sabotaged by the msm

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Trump should lobby to get the defective mic for the TV audiences in the next debate so they don't hear the sniffing.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
I didn't really notice any mic problems, but you can guarantee Trump did if he had them, which apparently he did. Have you ever sang karaoke with a bad mic or monitor setup? Or been in a band with one? If you can't hear yourself, it's very distracting.
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The microphone picked up all his little sniffles. It was working just fine. That loser is just making excuses after getting his ass handed to him BY A WOMAN.
 
deacvision7 said:
The microphone picked up all his little sniffles. It was working just fine. That loser is just making excuses after getting his ass handed to him BY A WOMAN.
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Not that you give a fuck, but I think the problem was the audience in the building had difficulty hearing him while Hillary's audio was fine. Very basic shit that should have been checked and double checked and triple checked before one of the biggest presidential debates ever.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Not that you give a fuck, but I think the problem was the audience in the building had difficulty hearing him while Hillary's audio was fine. Very basic shit that should have been checked and double checked and triple checked before one of the biggest presidential debates ever.
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Did a single person in the audience say they couldn't hear trump well?
 
Like that night. Not a day or two later after the narrative was already set.

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