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WFU Hoops: '24-'25 Roster Construction Thread: (-) Carr, Monsanto, Ituka, Clark, Miller, Marsh, Keller, Canka / (+) Spillers, Biliew, Cosby

Deacsfan27 said:
People love capitalism until it negatively impacts them, or positively impacts folks who they aren't used to seeing succeed, THEN there are problems.
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I'm with you on this, but the people complaining aren't looking at it from this perspective. They just see one of their favorite sports going through a dramatic change, they don't like it and they are voicing their opinions on it. Sports fans are rarely rational.

The market says these players have value and it's about time they get paid. If we are being honest, universities being used as the minor leagues for the top basketball and football prospects has always been dumb.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
We also need a better coach. Arguably, we've had good players the past few years. Buying that same level of player (ACC POY; 1st Team All-ACC) has been proven not to work with this coach. The money is secondary to the coach.
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I don’t think that you can discount Forbes’ role in having them be first team ACC/player of the year. We didn’t “buy“any of these players as all conference types. Recognizing the talent, establishing the relationship to get them to transfer here, and giving them space and confidence to be the player that they could be has to at least be some credit to Forbes.

There may be better in game or developmental coaches out there, but in today’s landscape does development really matter all that much? And would the price tag to bring in the same quality player be higher because their system/relationships are different?
 
awakegirl said:
Yeah. I’m all in on players being paid, but this system is just awful.
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It’s basically the fans just supplementing the salaries of coaches and athletic Admins, since they get to pocket all of the TV cash, and rely on others to pay the players. So we get to foot the bill for astronomical coaches salaries.
 
Colonel Angus said:
What is not happening? Making the tournament?

Hate losing Carr but let's see how the roster shakes out first before making predictions 11 months from now as tides can turn instantly in college hoops.

Hell... over a period of 4 weeks NC State went from firing its coach with some fans openly calling for a men's basketball boycott to it's greatest athletic accomplishment in 40 years.
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Yes, it is amazing what can happen when there is some significant pressure to succeed. Yet we are going on 2 decades of giving our coaches excuses, extended passes, and pleasantries. And then we cry to the heavens when we shockingly still suck.
 
IamThunderbolt said:
It’s basically the fans just supplementing the salaries of coaches and athletic Admins, since they get to pocket all of the TV cash, and rely on others to pay the players. So we get to foot the bill for astronomical coaches salaries.
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Which is why expansion sucks ass. No one but the admins see that additional money and it destroys the regional rivalries that have made college sports so enduring
 
IamThunderbolt said:
I don’t think that you can discount Forbes’ role in having them be first team ACC/player of the year. We didn’t “buy“any of these players as all conference types. Recognizing the talent, establishing the relationship to get them to transfer here, and giving them space and confidence to be the player that they could be has to at least be some credit to Forbes.

There may be better in game or developmental coaches out there, but in today’s landscape does development really matter all that much? And would the price tag to bring in the same quality player be higher because their system/relationships are different?
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I get the value to the player, but as an alumni/fan, I don't give two shits if we have all-conference players but we can't make the tournament. It arguably makes the situation even worse. Clearly the talent is there. Yes he gets credit for identifying and developing them, but if that does not translate to making the tournament then overall he is still a failure.

You can pay for high-quality ingredients, but if the chef sucks then the dinner is still burnt and awful. On the contrary, a good chef can turn some mediocre ingredients into a great meal. We see that with plenty of teams and coaches every single year. But we never see it ourselves.
 
Colonel Angus said:
Perhaps because Carr's decision had little to nothing to do with NIL?

It's 100% your call whether or not to donate. That's up to you.

But how does giving the staff fewer resources to work with in the current pay for play environment help the program get back to the tournament?
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You keep saying this so authoritatively. If it wasn’t NIL, what was it?
 
The next shoe to drop is going to be when schools are allowed to pay the players, but now we can’t afford to have soccer and tennis teams because we have to use that money on football and basketball. People are going to hate that too. Pandora’s box has been opened, and we’re never coming back from it. College sports will never be as enjoyable as they were 10 years ago.
 
Forbes may be the perfect coach to get us 20 wins per year as he is now doing what he did every year at Northwest Florida State Juco.

Now, does 20+ wins in the ACC equate to a NCAAT bid? Nope!?

But we will not be Manning/Buzz losers either.
 
MysteryMen said:
The next shoe to drop is going to be when schools are allowed to pay the players, but now we can’t afford to have soccer and tennis teams because we have to use that money on football and basketball. People are going to hate that too. Pandora’s box has been opened, and we’re never coming back from it. College sports will never be as enjoyable as they were 10 years ago.
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Where do the millions and billions of dollars college sports generate go now? Athletes are getting paid by fans
 
A lot of public school AD's are paying literally tens of millions of dollars each year in debt to pay for athletic facilities.

As far as good they do aside from paying for sports that lose money (basically all of them sans football), some will transfer profits/surplus to back to the academic school portion itself to pay for benefits there.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
People love capitalism until it negatively impacts them, or positively impacts folks who they aren't used to seeing succeed, THEN there are problems.
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but what is happening here is not really "capitalism" in any traditional sense

you have not-for-profit universities/colleges that are fielding sports teams -- teams are made up of coaches paid by the university and players that get a scholarship, but are otherwise paid by outside sources -- and they have to maintain academic eligibility

meanwhile, billions are being generated for universities and other not-for-profit entities (e.g. the NCAA), none of which is used to directly compensate players

it's a ludicrous system that nobody would ever create from scratch and its logical inconsistencies will crush it eventually


if it were truly capitalistic, then players would be participating in the market for their services for the billions generated by their labor, not seeking out side payments from billionaires with too much money and a weird-ass hobby

so yes, there is some sort of free market for players within a section of the system, but on a whole this is not capitalism

if you want capitalism, then drop all charades of academics, drop the non-profit component, and run it like a minor league
 
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