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So It Seems That Our President Is A Little Catty

BillBrasky

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He's invites the GOP leadership. including Sen. Ryan, to sit in the front row of his speech yesterday and then openly insults them personally and calls them unAmerican to their face.

Seriously? What sort of unifying move is this? I know RJ and the Daily Kos went from 10-to-6 after seeing this occur but how does this help the ongoing 2011/12 budget and credit limit negotiations?

If things weren't already personal, they sure as hell are now.
 
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At first I thought you might have meant "catty". Then I looked up "caddy"


I've learnt a new word today...thanks!



Oh, to the question/point: I think the pols are all about posturing and little about seeming to work together. Seems they prefer to appear as battling against the evil/wrong other side.
 
good call - when people call him a socialist or question whether or not he was born in the United States, thats completely cool. When he calls them out, he has crossed some line of decency.
 
Maybe I just don't pay close enough attention, but it seems to be politics has become more partisan and divided over this last decade than I remember them ever being. Votes are going down party lines and neither side ever has anything good to say about the other. It's all finger pointing and positioning. I know that it's something that's always been there, but it just seems worse now than it has been in the past.
 
Obama's solution, which relies on some of the recommendations of the bipartisan commission, is much more moderate than Ryan's solution, which is basically a move towards his Ayn Rand Objectivist ideal
 
good call - when people call him a socialist or question whether or not he was born in the United States, thats completely cool. When he calls them out, he has crossed some line of decency.

Ryan called Obama a socialist or was a birther before the speech?

Not that I recall.

But there is no doubt Obama is a socialist after hearing that speech yesterday. Btw, thanks Bamster for giving us almost an hour to use against you in commercials in 2012!!!

Now if we can just find a decent person to run against him....
 
He's invites the GOP leadership. including Sen. Ryan, to sit in the front row of his speech yesterday and then openly insults them personally and calls them unAmerican to their face.

Seriously? What sort of unifying move is this? I know RJ and the Daily Kos went from 10-to-6 after seeing this occur but how does this help the ongoing 2011/12 budget and credit limit negotiations?

If things weren't already personal, they sure as hell are now.

I consider the DailyKos as useful as Drusge but keep deluding yourself/

You're right calling him a fraud, socialist and worse to his back is more "manly" than telling you to your face that your plan is evil.

YES, Ryan Medicare plan is evil.

YES,. giving the rich about 1/3 tax cut while burdnening the rest of the nation with more costs is cynical, insane and evil.

EVERY DEM should rum their campain against the Ryan Plan.
 
Ryan called Obama a socialist or was a birther before the speech?

Not that I recall.

But there is no doubt Obama is a socialist after hearing that speech yesterday. Btw, thanks Bamster for giving us almost an hour to use against you in commercials in 2012!!!

Now if we can just find a decent person to run against him....

Here's video from last week of Ryan saying that Obama is moving us to a "western European-style, cradle to grave, social welfare state," in other words . . . "SOCIALIST!"



And before you accuse me of twisting his words, you might notice that the video is hosted on the impeachobama website.
http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/video-rep-paul-ryan-obamas-america-is-becoming-a-socialist-state/

Here's another quote from December (http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/02/paul-ryan-says-obama-fiscal-commission-report-is-a-step-backwards/2/):

“We will be choosing what kind of future we want to have for the rest of this century in the very near future in this country, probably in 2012,” Ryan said. “So I believe we owe it to the country to give them an alternative choice than the path we’re on right now. And I really sincerely believe, and I’ll back it up all afternoon long if you want me to, we’re on a path to being a social democracy, a cradle to the grave European-type welfare state.”

Calling Obama and the Democrats socialists is without a doubt part of his schtick. It's a talking point that he uses.
 
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The GOP doesn NOT want to frame the 2012 election like this:

Ending Medicare versus giving tax breaks to the rich

The 80 seats the GOP won in 2010 would be a drop in the bucket for the dems if that's what the GOP does.

The American isn't stupid enough to not understand "redefining Medicare into a voucher program" means ending Medicare.
 
But it turns out Ryan was right, I mean, you did listen to Obama yesterday right?
 
But it turns out Ryan was right, I mean, you did listen to Obama yesterday right?

Yes. Great speech. Should have been on prime time TV instead of 1:30 PM. And regardless of whether you think he was right, you were wrong. These tea party lunatics are couching popular social programs that have existed for between 50 and 80 years in pejorative terms. Yes, the medical plan will change. It needs to. Ending it, like Ryan proposes, is a horrible and dangerous solution.
 
Seriously, you thought it was a great speech?

I guess Republican majorities in both house and Obama losing might change your mind next year....this speech was the last straw, the President's hung himself. He's finished, I'm calling it today, April 14, 2011.
 
If the GOP runds on vouchers for Medicar, they lose the House.

By the way the term is CATTY ..
 
I thought the speech was one of the best moments of his presidency so far.
 
Seriously, you thought it was a great speech?

I guess Republican majorities in both house and Obama losing might change your mind next year....this speech was the last straw, the President's hung himself. He's finished, I'm calling it today, April 14, 2011.

Yer blinded. There's a much better chance of both houses going back to the Democrats next year. And Obama's a shoo-in right now.
 
Here's video from last week of Ryan saying that Obama is moving us to a "western European-style, cradle to grave, social welfare state," in other words . . . "SOCIALIST!"



And before you accuse me of twisting his words, you might notice that the video is hosted on the impeachobama website.
http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/video-rep-paul-ryan-obamas-america-is-becoming-a-socialist-state/

Here's another quote from December (http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/02/paul-ryan-says-obama-fiscal-commission-report-is-a-step-backwards/2/):

“We will be choosing what kind of future we want to have for the rest of this century in the very near future in this country, probably in 2012,” Ryan said. “So I believe we owe it to the country to give them an alternative choice than the path we’re on right now. And I really sincerely believe, and I’ll back it up all afternoon long if you want me to, we’re on a path to being a social democracy, a cradle to the grave European-type welfare state.”

Calling Obama and the Democrats socialists is without a doubt part of his schtick. It's a talking point that he uses.

But didn't our President all but confirm Ryan's suspicions in his speech yesterday? It was a call-to-arms for all liberals to fight for the existence of their ideal society.

And honestly I'm not saying I disagree with all parts of his plan, I actually like parts of both plans, I was just pointing out how partisan and childish his actions were.
 
As long as the Republicans continue to frame any kind of socialist entity with such a broad brush, they will only succeed in motivating their own die-hard membership.

Only a tiny fraction of independents and on-the-fence liberals will ever buy into Medicare as evil, everything socialist as horrifying, or the idea that we can solve the debt crisis while extending tax cuts.

Most people understand that many socialist entities must stay, many can be cut or reduced, and that the debt requires higher tax revenue. In fact most Republicans believe that as well but have to weigh everything against the Tea Party reaction.

The idea that you could start the discussion by saying "anything that increases anyone's taxes next year by any amount is off the table" is ridiculous. Especially from a party that almost shut down the government by inserting planned parenthood into a budget discussion.

Obama crushed it yesterday. The far right sees it as a shocking revelation that he's a socialist - reactions from moderates suggests it was a no-nonsense dose of reality.
 
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