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siff
03-27-2011, 11:34 PM
Apparently, yes.

http://jeffgoodman.yardbarker.com/blog/jeffgoodman/sources_daytons_gregory_expected_to_replace_hewitt _at_georgia_tech/4457606

TBR
03-27-2011, 11:38 PM
Hope it works out for them, but I don't have a lot of faith that I will.

Never quite understood why he's always mentioned for jobs as he hasn't accomplished much meaningful at Dayton.

RJKarl
03-27-2011, 11:39 PM
Why anyone thinks a guy who can't win in the A-10 can win in the ACC is beyond me.

IckerDeac
03-27-2011, 11:49 PM
The board was in love with him last year. He is about on Groce's level -> very average.

TBR
03-27-2011, 11:51 PM
All I can figure is it's because he was an Izzo assistant.

ChrisL68
03-28-2011, 12:06 AM
And the sad thing is that he has a much better resume than the coach we hired last year.

greekdeac2011
03-28-2011, 12:25 AM
I thought we loved this guy last year? Of course, I have trouble thinking of a worse hire than the one we made.

RJKarl
03-28-2011, 12:25 AM
And the sad thing is that he has a much better resume than the coach we hired last year.

No he doesn't....he hasn't built a team from the pits of a BCS conference to being compeititive.

I wasn't excited about hiring Bzdelik, but he's much better than Gregory.

Coming 7th or worse five out of the past six years in a second rate conference is worse then what Bzdelik did at CU and it's not even close.

deacvision7
03-28-2011, 12:27 AM
Worse than a pile of dog shit?


Just because another coach sucks, doesn't mean Buzz is any better.

RJKarl
03-28-2011, 12:40 AM
Bzdelik built CO from nothing to being competitive. No matter how much you hate him. You can't be honest and not say he left CO in a good position.

You can't rationally compare having a losing record five out of his last six years in the A-10 to coaching in the B12.

TexasDeac10
03-28-2011, 01:47 AM
No doubt about it, the great counterfactual that we'll never be able to verify is how Bzdelik's Colorado teams would have been this year and the next, provided he stayed.

I personally believe they'd have done well (read: competitive in the Big XII), but I have nothing to fall back on other than my perception of how they played basketball when I watched them over the past 2 years.

Footnote: I generally think it takes new coaches 3 years to fully implement their system. Takes time to recruit their own players, coach those players, whatever. But Bzdelik has left every college program he's coached before that dispositive 4th year. It's really a tragedy for us pundits. I tend to think that any analysis of his previous record is tenuous at best.

PhDeac
03-28-2011, 01:59 AM
And no matter what you think about 3rd and 4th year or whatever, we should all agree that 8-24 is a horrible start and a huge hole to dig out of and should not be brushed aside when evaluating a coach who set out to win each and every one of those games.

TexasDeac10
03-28-2011, 02:06 AM
Yep. 8-24 is abysmal. But Bz has had several seasons that didn't involve an 8-24 record, so I'm hoping for a regression to the mean.

ChrisL68
03-28-2011, 07:13 AM
Gregory has won the NIT. He made the finals of the A-10 tournament this year. He has won an NCAA game.

His resume is more impressive than Bzdelik's.

siff
03-28-2011, 07:18 AM
He has more charisma than Buzz, that's for sure...

ProbationDeac
03-28-2011, 07:25 AM
And no matter what you think about 3rd and 4th year or whatever, we should all agree that 8-24 is a horrible start and a huge hole to dig out of and should not be brushed aside when evaluating a coach who set out to win each and every one of those games.

A-freaking-men.

ProbationDeac
03-28-2011, 08:58 AM
My thoughts are that it's not a great hire but not terrible either. I do think it's a better hire then Bz. Bzdelik turning Colorado into an NIT team doesn't impress me the way it does some on here. Hewitt was always able to recruit but lost players early to the draft. I don't know enough about Gregory to decide if he's a good recruiter or in-game coach. I will say this, I hope he does well at Ga Tech. I think the conference is better when more teams then just UNC or Duke are competitive. I think the ACC is at it's best when UNC, Duke, Wake, State, Ga Tech, and Maryland are all relevant and playing well.

vadimivich
03-28-2011, 09:04 AM
Done deal. He's the new HC at GT.

Needless to say, the natives are up in arms in Atlanta.

deacvision7
03-28-2011, 09:10 AM
How.... uninspiring.

CHillDeac
03-28-2011, 09:11 AM
How.... uninspiring.


And that big whooshing sound you hear is Ron Wellman breathing a big sigh of relief.

dot com
03-28-2011, 09:20 AM
Maybe the Curse of the Blitz gets passed to GT.

Say Hey Deac
03-28-2011, 09:40 AM
I thought we loved this guy last year?

Gregory was definitely among the more-discussed mid-major candidates, along with Brownell, Groce, and Marshall. However, there was a lot of discussion about Gregory's shortcomings and I would say it is a big stretch to say that the board "loved" him.

As I've mentioned before, aside from Brad Stevens there was no consensus candidate last year, and I think GT has discovered that the same is true this year. Once you get past Stevens, Shaka Smart, and perhaps Chris Mooney, there don't seem to be many up-and-coming mid-major coaches that the big schools are targeting. Certainly not enough to fill all the major jobs that are or were recently available (GT, NCSU, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee).

vadimivich
03-28-2011, 09:46 AM
The bright side of living in Russia? There's plenty of vodka for days like today.

KidA23
03-28-2011, 10:00 AM
Gregory was definitely among the more-discussed mid-major candidates, along with Brownell, Groce, and Marshall. However, there was a lot of discussion about Gregory's shortcomings and I would say it is a big stretch to say that the board "loved" him.

As I've mentioned before, aside from Brad Stevens there was no consensus candidate last year, and I think GT has discovered that the same is true this year. Once you get past Stevens, Shaka Smart, and perhaps Chris Mooney, there don't seem to be many up-and-coming mid-major coaches that the big schools are targeting. Certainly not enough to fill all the major jobs that are or were recently available (GT, NCSU, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee).

Good post. After the "big 3" of Mooney, Smart, ans Stevens, there really isn't much out there.

rawarr
03-28-2011, 10:00 AM
At least a change really NEEDED to be made with Hewitt... as opposed to ditching a coach who was doing alright for a crap one

KidA23
03-28-2011, 10:06 AM
Now that I think about it, I find it funny that GT fans might wish their AD had done the same thing that many Wake fans (including myself) had wished Wellman had done. That is, Tech is moving into a renovated arena the year after next. Tech is expected to field a poor team this coming year. There were not great mid-major candidates available who weren't either prohibitively expensive or simply unavailable to begin with. Why not wait a year, let Hewitt stink it up in a year where the Jackets have to play in a transitioning" arena" under construction, and then refresh and reload with a new arena and new coach the following year?

Of course, this is easy to say now that Mooney and Smart are unavailable; Tech's AD may not have known that when he fired Hewitt. On the other hand, I still think a guy like Marshall would be absolutely perfect in the ACC; if cost was the issue there, surely Tech's AD must have known about that before he went ahead and fired Hewitt, right?

Deacon2002
03-28-2011, 10:50 AM
Gregory has won the NIT. He made the finals of the A-10 tournament this year. He has won an NCAA game.

His resume is more impressive than Bzdelik's.

This. And Colorado was 15-16 overall and 6-10 in the Big 12 (8th place) in Bz's last year. That to me doesn't qualify as competitive. Now Colorado made a nice step forward this year, but there is no way to prove that would or would not have happened if Bz had stayed. You can make an argument either way and there's definitely a portion of Colorado fans that would argue that it was because Bz left. I do find it interesting that the Colorado AD looked outside the program fro Bz's replacement.

I'd take Gregory over Bzdelik in a heartbeat, but it is definitely an uninspiring hire. And it seems like a big majority of the GT folks are disappointed at best and pissed at worst with this hire. What is interesting is there are some GT folks that think there AD is leaving for the same job and Miami and that once Mooney was out of the picture the AD just wanted to wrap things up and offered the guy he liked best that he felt certain would take the job...

DCDeac
03-28-2011, 11:03 AM
At least a change really NEEDED to be made with Hewitt... as opposed to ditching a coach who was doing alright for a crap one

If we were within 2 ACC wins of this season's record with Dino at the helm would he still have been "doing alright?"

wsc8521s
03-28-2011, 11:30 AM
Or perhaps GT should have fired/let Hewitt go elsewhere after last season, as Wake did with Gaudio, for the reasons enumerated by Kid. The argument definitely could be made they had more to gain/more cause for firing Hewitt last year than we had with Dino

greekdeac2011
03-28-2011, 11:31 AM
If we were within 2 ACC wins of this season's record with Dino at the helm would he still have been "doing alright?"

No, but I think many of us think we should've waited to fire Dino this year if he had gone 10-22 or something horrible.

TBR
03-28-2011, 01:04 PM
As a candidate, it's hard to argue that Bzdelik is better than Gregory. Yes, if you look solely at their records they are pretty comparable, with Bzdelik maybe even getting a slight nod, but there's more to it than that.

This was an interesting hire, but it looks like GT didn't have too many better choices. As noted, most hot mid major coaches are red hot right now (Mooney, Smart, Stevens, and Mack) and therefore out of reach of schools that have to pay buyouts. If the dynamic does not change drastically, we might be better suited to going the assistant route next time around.

It is going to be real interesting to see what happens with NCSU and Missouri.

KidA23
03-29-2011, 09:24 AM
Andy Katz's take (thanks to ChillDeac for linking to this Katz blog post in another thread):

• It was really weak that Georgia Tech assistant athletic director Wayne Hogan went out of his way to deny reports that the Yellow Jackets were hiring Brian Gregory. Clearly this was in the works, and Georgia Tech looks small in the way it handled things over the weekend.

• Hiring Gregory is a questionable move. So let's get this straight: The Yellow Jackets pay $7 million to buy out Hewitt and then hire Gregory, whose Flyers finished 7-9 in the A-10 (eighth place) and 22-14 overall. Gregory did win the NIT championship in 2010 with a victory over North Carolina, but he reached the NCAA tournament only twice in eight years. Hewitt made the NCAAs last season, and won a first-round matchup with Oklahoma State. Hewitt also made four other NCAA appearances, and reached the national championship game in 2004. Should he have been let go? You can make that argument. But to fire him, pay him money and get a coach who hadn't done nearly as much as Hewitt at a lower-level conference? How does this make sense?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6265959/vcu-focused-keeping-shaka-smart

Deacon2002
03-29-2011, 09:47 AM
Hewitt was a massive underachiever based on the talent the put on the floor and he had totally lost the fan base at Tech. Gregory may or may not have been the right hire, but GT had to do something as apathy was setting in with the fan base...

DieselDeac
03-29-2011, 09:48 AM
It makes sense for Tech to move on solely due to the nature of Hewitt's rolling contract. Tech gambled that he would be their K, Dean, or Gary, and they lost.

Chill22
03-29-2011, 09:51 AM
Hewitt was a massive underachiever based on the talent the put on the floor and he had totally lost the fan base at Tech. Gregory may or may not have been the right hire, but GT had to do something as apathy was setting in with the fan base...

This.

dot com
03-29-2011, 10:07 AM
Hiring Gregory is a questionable move. So let's get this straight: The Yellow Jackets pay $7 million to buy out Hewitt and then hire Gregory, whose Flyers finished 7-9 in the A-10 (eighth place) and 22-14 overall. Gregory did win the NIT championship in 2010 with a victory over North Carolina, but he reached the NCAA tournament only twice in eight years. Hewitt made the NCAAs last season, and won a first-round matchup with Oklahoma State. Hewitt also made four other NCAA appearances, and reached the national championship game in 2004. Should he have been let go? You can make that argument. But to fire him, pay him money and get a coach who hadn't done nearly as much as Hewitt at a lower-level conference? How does this make sense?

Why does this sound familiar....

vadimivich
03-29-2011, 10:54 AM
Seen on the Dayton campus this morning ... (the 2018 sign was a countdown to the end of Gregory's contract)

http://www.blackburnreview.com/storage/awesome.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=13013431267 87

Say Hey Deac
03-29-2011, 11:00 AM
Andy Katz's take (thanks to ChillDeac for linking to this Katz blog post in another thread):

Hewitt made the NCAAs last season, and won a first-round matchup with Oklahoma State. Hewitt also made four other NCAA appearances, and reached the national championship game in 2004. Should he have been let go? You can make that argument. But to fire him, pay him money and get a coach who hadn't done nearly as much as Hewitt at a lower-level conference? How does this make sense?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6265959/vcu-focused-keeping-shaka-smart

With all due respect to Andy Katz, it seems pretty rare that a coach gets fired and the media community expresses their full support of the firing.

Honestly, I think it's partially due to the fact that columnists like Andy Katz are not close enough to the situation. They have to cover 100+ teams and they simply can't be engaged enough to fully understand the dynamics of each school's situation. They seem to look at the overall record and how the team did in the postseason and that's about it -- no effort to explore the subtext.

Firing Dino made sense if you REALLY watched Wake Forest play basketball during his 3 years, yet plenty of media folks acted with complete surprise. They pointed to the 61-31 or whatever and that was the entire basis for their opinion. Similarly, firing Hewitt makes sense if you have REALLY followed GT, yet you have Katz arguing that it is crazy.

Again, I don't necessarily blame these media guys, but they're awfully predictable when it comes to this stuff.

Azdeac
03-29-2011, 12:25 PM
Seen on the Dayton campus this morning ... (the 2018 sign was a countdown to the end of Gregory's contract)

http://www.blackburnreview.com/storage/awesome.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=13013431267 87

Disturbing and delusional sense of entitlement on this one. See what runs like George Mason, Butler, and VCU do to the other mid-majors. I grew up a loyal Flyer fan - let's look at their history. Gregory was the best thing that happened to them in the last 20 years

Dayton's program has never been the same since they ran Don Donoher out. Alum and head coach for 25 years (1964-1989). Gregory has been the best of the lot though.

Donoher's 25 years
9 NCAA appearances (and it was much harder to get into the tournament during his tenure)
6 NIT appearances
1 Title Game 1967 - lost to UCLA
1 Elite 8 1984 - lost to Georgetown
1 NIT Championship 1968
Career record 437-275
W/L% - 61.38

Since the 1988-89 season - 5 NCAA appearances in 22 years, never making it past the 2nd round
5 years Jim O'Brien 61-87, 1 NCAA (2nd round) W/L% 41.2
9 years Oliver Purnell 155-116, 2 NCAA, 3 NIT W/L% 57.2
8 years Brian Gregory 172-94, 2 NCAA (1 2nd round), 3 NIT (Champions 2010) W/L% 69.92

TBR
03-29-2011, 12:27 PM
Bobknightfan : Wake Forest :: Azdeac : Dayton?

PhDeac
03-29-2011, 12:27 PM
With all due respect to Andy Katz, it seems pretty rare that a coach gets fired and the media community expresses their full support of the firing.

Honestly, I think it's partially due to the fact that columnists like Andy Katz are not close enough to the situation. They have to cover 100+ teams and they simply can't be engaged enough to fully understand the dynamics of each school's situation. They seem to look at the overall record and how the team did in the postseason and that's about it -- no effort to explore the subtext.

Firing Dino made sense if you REALLY watched Wake Forest play basketball during his 3 years, yet plenty of media folks acted with complete surprise. They pointed to the 61-31 or whatever and that was the entire basis for their opinion. Similarly, firing Hewitt makes sense if you have REALLY followed GT, yet you have Katz arguing that it is crazy.

Again, I don't necessarily blame these media guys, but they're awfully predictable when it comes to this stuff.

Good post. Considering those guys do what we do for fun as a full-time job, they don't do it nearly well enough.

Azdeac
03-29-2011, 12:34 PM
Bobknightfan : Wake Forest :: Azdeac : Dayton?

LOL - Bob Knight and Don Donoher were actually very good friends. Donoher was on Knight's staff that won the Olympics in 1984. Per Wikipedia "Donoher-coached teams were noted for their discipline, tenacity, and sound fundamentals, frequently besting teams with greater athleticism."

The similarities stopped there though. Donoher was almost always very calm and composed, rarely got a technical called.

I would love to see Wake get a coach that could get teams to play with the above.

TBR
03-29-2011, 12:35 PM
LOL - Bob Knight and Don Donoher were actually very good friends. Donoher was on Knight's staff that won the Olympics in 1984. Per Wikipedia "Donoher-coached teams were noted for their discipline, tenacity, and sound fundamentals, frequently besting teams with greater athleticism."

The similarities stopped there though. Donoher was almost always very calm and composed, rarely got a technical called.

I was actual more referring to bkf's love for Carl Tacy and how he didn't watch a Wake game for 20 years after Tacy was supposedly run off.

Just to be clear, bkf is a very active poster on the other board.

Azdeac
03-29-2011, 12:47 PM
I was actual more referring to bkf's love for Carl Tacy and how he didn't watch a Wake game for 20 years after Tacy was supposedly run off.

Just to be clear, bkf is a very active poster on the other board.

I'm on the other board too, different name (Bleeding Black and Gold - I guess that name's too long here). So, I know who bkf is. Been a regular on these boards since 1997/98. Although, I have watched Dayton games over the past 22 years. Gregory did a good job there, not great, bot good. Looking at their history, Dayton shouldn't be celebrating his departure.