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tsywake
03-30-2011, 08:16 AM
http://www2.journalnow.com/sports/2011/mar/30/WSSPORT01-asu-continues-study-of-possible-move-to--ar-903103/

SkinsNDeacs
03-30-2011, 08:29 AM
First of all...I am dizzy after reading that article. Talk about writing in circles.

Second, as an App grad I think this is a terrible idea. All you have to do is look at Marshall. I am not sure if their football program makes more money now in 1A (it probably does) but the atmosphere is not there any more. When I was at App they played in the SoCon. I went up to Marshall to watch us play them when they were #1 in the nation (we won BTW) and that was one of the best college football environments I have ever been in...and I have been to most big football schools in the SE. I saw Marshall play a game on ESPN this year and the stadium was half empty. That is because their games are meaningless now. Even if they have a very good season they are only going to go to some two bit bowl that no one will care about. As a fan I think it is better to stay in 1AA and compete for a National Championship every year.

The only way I think this is a good idea is if the BCS schools form their own supper division. If that happens I could see App moving up and being competitive.

The Deacon
03-30-2011, 08:55 AM
Ah but maybe the entry of UNC-Charlotte into football makes App want to move up. Seems to me that if they stay in the lower division, they will end up being the red-headed stepchild of the UNC system for football. Who knows, once the super conferences form, maybe they are afraid ECU and UNC-C will take a spot that they could get if they moved up...

Dented
03-30-2011, 10:23 AM
To:the App grads out there
from: all 1A schools

a 1AA championship is the real meaningless thing. and please stop talking about beating a shitty michigan team at the last second in ann arbor. no one else cares.

SkinsNDeacs
03-30-2011, 10:35 AM
To:the App grads out there
from: all 1A schools

a 1AA championship is the real meaningless thing. and please stop talking about beating a shitty michigan team at the last second in ann arbor. no one else cares.

1st of all it is a lot more meaningful than spudering in 1A. I would much rather be where we are now than having one "good" season every 10 years.

2nd...with all due respect to Wake (as I am a Wake fan)...our victory over Michigan was bigger than any win that Wake has had in my life time. At the time Michigan was the number 5 team in the nation (an actually ended up having a good year). I know Wake won the ACC Championship but the App win over Michigan got infinite more press coverage and publicity than the ACC Championship.

ogb&c
03-30-2011, 10:39 AM
I see your Marshall and raise you a Boise State. But neither anecdote proves anything.

Which conferences might they join (I know nothing about second-tier southeastern college football)?

SkinsNDeacs
03-30-2011, 10:43 AM
I see your Marshall and raise you a Boise State. But neither anecdote proves anything.

Which conferences might they join (I know nothing about second-tier southeastern college football)?

That is the difference between Marshall and Bosie. Bosie could join a high mid major conference because there is nothing else out there. It would be impossible for App to join a good conference. They are not going to the ACC or SEC... maybe Con USA but then you are in the same spot as Marshall. No thanks.

BobStackFan4Life
03-30-2011, 10:44 AM
I think their successes are meaningful. Their football team has a good rep- both in the state and to some extent nationally.

ogb&c
03-30-2011, 10:48 AM
That is the difference between Marshall and Bosie. Bosie could join a high mid major conference because there is nothing else out there. It would be impossible for App to join a good conference. They are not going to the ACC or SEC... maybe Con USA but then you are in the same spot as Marshall. No thanks.

Boise State originally joined the Big West conference. I don't know your definition of "high mid major," but the Big West ain't it.

And a single regular season game--no matter how improbable--does not trump a major conference championship and a trip to a BCS bowl.

HeavyPetter
03-30-2011, 11:04 AM
I think the divisions should be eliminated for football and there should be 300 college football teams competing for the national championship, just like basketball.

UNC-C would probably win.

SkinsNDeacs
03-30-2011, 11:07 AM
Boise State originally joined the Big West conference. I don't know your definition of "high mid major," but the Big West ain't it.

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But Boise was still able to thrive because there is not much around them. They could still be a relatively big fish. No way App could do that in the middle of ACC and SEC country.

Dented
03-30-2011, 11:10 AM
But Boise was still able to thrive because there is not much around them. They could still be a relatively big fish. No way App could do that in the middle of ACC and SEC country.

Your previous posts on the subject show that you have delusions about how important a 1AA championship and a win against a now mediocre traditional power are but you are not nearly as delusional as a lot of the App fans I know who think a jump to 1A would mean App would start to DOMINATE the other NC schools.

SkinsNDeacs
03-30-2011, 11:17 AM
Your previous posts on the subject show that you have delusions about how important a 1AA championship and a win against a now mediocre traditional power are but you are not nearly as delusional as a lot of the App fans I know who think a jump to 1A would mean App would start to DOMINATE the other NC schools.

I am not delusional at all. You might not think a being a 1AA contender is important but I would say go to an App game sometime. The atmosphere in Boone on Saturday's and the game experience proves that being a power house in their division means something. Again, if they moved up and had a "good" season every 10 years that would all go away.

Dented
03-30-2011, 11:20 AM
I am not delusional at all. You might not think a being a 1AA contender is important but I would say go to an App game sometime. The atmosphere in Boone on Saturday's and the game experience proves that being a power house in their division means something. Again, if they moved up and had a "good" season every 10 years that would all go away.

i have been to app games. it means something to those people but it doesnt mean anything to the average college football fan.

did you know that wichita st. blew washington st. out last night in the NIT? You might but the average college b-ball fan doesnt even know the game was played.

SkinsNDeacs
03-30-2011, 11:22 AM
i have been to app games. it means something to those people but it doesnt mean anything to the average college football fan.

ok...I hope you are consistent...to the average college football fan the App win over Michigan means more than Wake's win over GT to win the ACC Championship.

Dented
03-30-2011, 11:23 AM
ok...I hope you are consistent...to the average college football fan the App win over Michigan means more than Wake's win over GT to win the ACC Championship.

Take off your glasses for a second man. I know you are an App grad but you have to be smarter than this.

qcdeac
03-30-2011, 11:26 AM
1st of all it is a lot more meaningful than spudering in 1A. I would much rather be where we are now than having one "good" season every 10 years.

2nd...with all due respect to Wake (as I am a Wake fan)...our victory over Michigan was bigger than any win that Wake has had in my life time. At the time Michigan was the number 5 team in the nation (an actually ended up having a good year). I know Wake won the ACC Championship but the App win over Michigan got infinite more press coverage and publicity than the ACC Championship.

It got so much more press coverage and publicity because App is in a lower division. It was the football equivalent of Chaminade beating Ralph Sampson's UVA team. Disagree with Dented there: People do care about that win and it will continue to be a big deal.

App's my 2nd favorite school: wife went there, 2 relatives work at the university, and my parents have a house up there(next door to the AD).

Not sure what the best move is for them, though as a fan, I'd like to see them move up. No real interest in watching them play Furman, Georgia Southern, etc.

wolfdeac
03-30-2011, 11:33 AM
Take off your glasses for a second man. I know you are an App grad but you have to be smarter than this.

Gotta jump in here - I am a huge Wake fan, have absolutely no ties to App, and am pretty indifferent as to their program as a whole. But at the time beating Michigan was touted on ESPN as being, "the greatest upset in college football" (at least since the BCS started, I can't remember the exact quote). Yeah, Wake beating GT and winning the ACC championship was huge, but on a national level App's victory in Ann Arbor was far more prominent. Sorry, gotta agree with SnD here.

Dented
03-30-2011, 11:34 AM
people may care because it is a historic upset but nobody in California sat down to watch App play Michigan. They heard about it later. They didnt even know the game was going on.

Random football fans in California probably sat down to watch the Wake/GT and even if they turned it off at halftime because it was so boring, they knew it was going on.

SkinsNDeacs
03-30-2011, 11:38 AM
people may care because it is a historic upset but nobody in California sat down to watch App play Michigan. They heard about it later. They didnt even know the game was going on.

Random football fans in California probably sat down to watch the Wake/GT and even if they turned it off at halftime because it was so boring, they knew it was going on.

Walk up to most collage football fans and ask the if they remember when App beat Michigan...they will say yes. Ask them if they remember when Wake beat GT to win the ACC Championship, fewer of them will.

But I hate these debates...I don't know why some Wake fans feel the need to poop on App.

wolfdeac
03-30-2011, 11:41 AM
You really think people in California were on the edge of their seats to watch LOWF play GT? I mean.. maybe some of the really big college football fans like most of us here are, but even then they'd probably be more interested in seeing a 1AA school take down traditional power Michigan.

Dented
03-30-2011, 11:47 AM
You really think people in California were on the edge of their seats to watch LOWF play GT? I mean.. maybe some of the really big college football fans like most of us here are, but even then they'd probably be more interested in seeing a 1AA school take down traditional power Michigan.

you guys arent reading my argument.

most random people didnt know the app michigan game was going on. more random people knew the wake gt game was going on. when app beat michigan at the last second, that game became important. the winner of the acc champ game was important no matter who won.

as for pooping on app, i am sorry you feel that way skins. i am just stating my opinion. i know plenty of app grads and they are all nice people but when they start talking about their football team they sound like carolina fans (and oddly enough most of them are carolina fans for "basketball only").

tos
03-30-2011, 11:47 AM
First of all...I am dizzy after reading that article. Talk about writing in circles.

Second, as an App grad I think this is a terrible idea. All you have to do is look at Marshall. I am not sure if their football program makes more money now in 1A (it probably does) but the atmosphere is not there any more. When I was at App they played in the SoCon. I went up to Marshall to watch us play them when they were #1 in the nation (we won BTW) and that was one of the best college football environments I have ever been in...and I have been to most big football schools in the SE. I saw Marshall play a game on ESPN this year and the stadium was half empty. That is because their games are meaningless now. Even if they have a very good season they are only going to go to some two bit bowl that no one will care about. As a fan I think it is better to stay in 1AA and compete for a National Championship every year.

The only way I think this is a good idea is if the BCS schools form their own supper division. If that happens I could see App moving up and being competitive.

Marshall's problem rests with the product on the field. After their jump, that stadium was rocking during the Pruett years. I was there for a game in Pennington's last season when they finished undefeated, and the atmosphere was unbelievable despite the fans knowing full well they were headed to Detroit.

SkinsNDeacs
03-30-2011, 11:51 AM
Marshall's problem rests with the product on the field. After their jump, that stadium was rocking during the Pruett years. I was there for a game in Pennington's last season when they finished undefeated, and the atmosphere was unbelievable despite the fans knowing full well they were headed to Detroit.

The bolded part is the main problem IMO. No matter how good they do they head to Detroit (or whatever meaningless bowl they are affiliated with now).

blackngold35
03-30-2011, 12:02 PM
Not even close, App-Michigan dwarfs Wake's ACC title.

I think the time has come for App to make the jump, provided they get a decent opportunity conference wise (read: C-USA). Honestly, what else is there for them to accomplish in the FCS? Everyone around here knows about their 3-peat as national champs and they've won at least a share of their league title for the last 6 years.

If they get a C-USA invite then I think it's worth it. Anything else wouldn't be worth the costs of moving up. Plus if App was FBS, Wake might actually play them again.

ThinkingWithMyDeac
03-30-2011, 12:02 PM
Yay! Here we go again. This new board should have been built with additional foundations such as no talking about schools that no one outside of North Carolina cares about. At least we are somewhat hidden so UNCC's mythical football team hasn't found us to gloat about their hypothetical wins.

ogb&c
03-30-2011, 12:07 PM
But Boise was still able to thrive because there is not much around them. They could still be a relatively big fish. No way App could do that in the middle of ACC and SEC country.

App could continue to be a "big fish" by beating the local BCS-level competition. Boise State has regularly played and regularly beaten the Pac-10 schools in the Northwest. If App regularly played and regularly beat the ACC schools in North Carolina (arguably an easier task), I'm guessing the program would continue to generate signfiicant excitement and gain greater national relevance.

I don't really care what App State does, but if I were you I wouldn't rule out the possibility merely based on the Marshall experience.

Milhouse
03-30-2011, 12:08 PM
I don't know why some Wake fans feel the need to poop on App.

app faggots are almost as bad as dunit.

SkinsNDeacs
03-30-2011, 12:12 PM
App could continue to be a "big fish" by beating the local BCS-level competition. Boise State has regularly played and regularly beaten the Pac-10 schools in the Northwest. If App regularly played and regularly beat the ACC schools in North Carolina (arguably an easier task), I'm guessing the program would continue to generate signfiicant excitement and gain greater national relevance.

I don't really care what App State does, but if I were you I wouldn't rule out the possibility merely based on the Marshall experience.

I think that is easier said than done. App has a long way to go to be able to regularly beat 1A teams in NC. I think there are far more Marshalls than Boise States.

WRS
03-30-2011, 12:14 PM
Not even close, App-Michigan dwarfs Wake's ACC title.

I think the time has come for App to make the jump, provided they get a decent opportunity conference wise (read: C-USA). Honestly, what else is there for them to accomplish in the FCS? Everyone around here knows about their 3-peat as national champs and they've won at least a share of their league title for the last 6 years.

If they get a C-USA invite then I think it's worth it. Anything else wouldn't be worth the costs of moving up. Plus if App was FBS, Wake might actually play them again.

I take it you went to App?:tard:

ZDeac
03-30-2011, 12:18 PM
First - I have no connection App at all. Came to Wake from Texas, had barely heard of App until I got here.

But...there is zero doubt in my mind that more people in the U.S. remember App upsetting Michigan than remember Wake beating GT. I believe Wake's winning an ACC championship was much more significant/important in the long run, but a 1AA school beating a traditional powerhouse is definitely going to hang in people's minds longer, and that's okay.

It's a tough question to answer, though - do people know your name better if you win FCS championships or hang out in the middle of the pack in FBS? I think national TV exposure alone makes FBS more valuable, and I think App might actually have a chance to compete if they can work their way up the ranks and maybe get into a respectable conference.

I kind of hope they don't do it though - I could actually see them making the jump making recruiting slightly more difficult for Wake.

blackngold35
03-30-2011, 12:23 PM
I take it you went to App?:tard:

Wake Forest alum. Grew up in Boone

Demon09
03-30-2011, 05:25 PM
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dubs21
03-30-2011, 05:34 PM
I think that is easier said than done. App has a long way to go to be able to regularly beat 1A teams in NC. I think there are far more Marshalls than Boise States.

I bet with 85 scholarships it will be much easier than with 63.