IamThunderbolt
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Ken Ham leaves a lot to be desired both hermeneutically and scientifically. I'll leave it at that.
Bill Nye "The Science Guy" Hates Creationism
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Screamindemon3
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I wasn't arguing against it. I was just wondering why you thought that.
Wakeforest22890
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Check out Ken Ham in Religulous. Dude is nuts. Bill Nye will probably come across looking like an idiot though because Ham has more practice at it.
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Sounds like the perfect setup for "Never argue with an idiot. He'll bring you down to his level, then beat you with experience."
KickballDeac
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Exactly. Is anyone's mind going to be changed tonight? If Ken Ham "wins" is that going to overturn the last 150 years of biology? Maybe Bill Nye thinks he can educate a few people, but I really don't see how he does anything but galvanize the creationism crowd.
Ham can do his thing and earn his paper, by all means. It's my BOY Bill who's in the wrong here, lending any semblance of validity to Ham's scientific views (for lack of a better label) by agreeing to this debate.
ImTheCaptain
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we as a species have already lost by giving 'creationism' a platform equal to science. so dumb.
RevDeac06
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Will still likely watch (at least for as long as I can endure it). Nye has to be smart enough to have a game plan to account for the lack of logic. Then again, Peyton didn't really have much of a game plan on Sunday. So who knows.
Wakeforest22890
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Correct. If it were going to be taught in class it wouldn't replace evolutionary biology IMO. It would be a liberal arts type class.
ThinkingWithMyDeac
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Its not even like Bill Nye is the best and the brightest the scientific field has to offer, much more entertainer and face than anything else these days. Though he does have something that pretty much 99.9% of the people in science lack, the ability to connect with people, explain things, and not be a total social dumbass.
vadimivich
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The fact that anyone is giving Ken Ham any kind of public platform gives me the sads.
ipitytheblue
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unzipped and watching.
err, wait.
just watching.
err, wait.
just watching.
ipitytheblue
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You can't observe the past so you can't apply science to it.
This guy is gold.
This guy is gold.
ipitytheblue
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nah, YouTube. I couldn't even make it to the end.
wfudkn
cookout = blabbermouth?
So not worth watching?
Screamindemon3
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Not really. Wasn't really a "debate" (they never are). The first hour and a half is just them individually lecturing on their beliefs. Last 30 minutes is a Q&A session where neither one ever really answers the question being asked.
ipitytheblue
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A lot of the questions were kind of infuriating. Like so, Bill, with all your science, what was before the BIG BANG? And what has Bill to say but, "we're trying to find out and the search for knowledge is wonderful." Then Ham is all, "uh, Bill, ya know, we've got got a book for that. It's called THE BIBLE, heard of it?"
At which point I punch my couch so many times my cat runs and hides in the bathtub.
BeachBumDeac
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So did Bill Nye convince you?
ipitytheblue
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Actually, the best question was to Ham. "What, if anything, could change your mind?"
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RevDeac06
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To an extent, I get that. I just happen to think he's wrong. If I debated someone about the validity of gay marriage (I'm for it) and they asked me what would change my mind, I'd probably say "nothing." I think most of us have those core values that we're not willing to leave. Doesn't mean that we shouldn't be willing to look at them and challenge them, but realizing that there likely isn't anything that would change it.