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Bill Nye "The Science Guy" Hates Creationism

i think scientific explanations are infinitely more impressive and awe inspiring than the idea of intelligent design.
 
There are certainly people who are both religious and very intelligent. However, I personally don't believe that there exist any intelligent people who believe the earth is 6000 years old (given that they have actually studied high school level science). I haven't met any or seen any in debates that I would classify as intelligent at least. I tend to agree with Richard Dawkins that anyone who denies evolution is either stupid, ignorant, insane or wicked. And it is definitely a big problem that 46% of our fellow countrymen are YECs.
 
In some ways, I can't believe the idea of creationism (or especially young earth theory) persists. Similarly, I don't understand how anyone could deny evolution (if I could teach it to them anyway). I can't help but think it's related to a willful ignorance rooted in a deep-seated fear of confronting the unknown. As has been mentioned in one way or another, religion provides the baby food of answers for life's persistent questions. Imagining the falsity of religious explanation or the lack of a God is like ripping the blankets off your bed in a chilly room. It's an unpleasant world to face until you bundle up in science and go out to explore it.

It's possible that I'm making no sense. Sorry.
 
I'm just pissed that the Bible didn't have any super sweet dinosaur stories. Those would have been awesome in Sunday School.
 
deacvision7 said:
I'm just pissed that the Bible didn't have any super sweet dinosaur stories. Those would have been awesome in Sunday School.
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Being a dinosaur obsessed little kid growing up in a very religious setting, my favorite bible verses were Job 40:15-24. All the YEC dinosaur books I read pointed this out as the best indication that dinosaurs lived with men. Of course, it is probably describing an elephant or hippo or something of the sort.

15 “Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17 Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.
18 Its bones are tubes of bronze,
its limbs like rods of iron.
19 It ranks first among the works of God,
yet its Maker can approach it with his sword.
20 The hills bring it their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.
21 Under the lotus plants it lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.
22 The lotuses conceal it in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround it.
23 A raging river does not alarm it;
it is secure, though the Jordan should surge against its mouth.
24 Can anyone capture it by the eyes,
or trap it and pierce its nose?
 
Also, Job 41:1-34.

41 [a]“Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down its tongue with a rope?
2 Can you put a cord through its nose
or pierce its jaw with a hook?
3 Will it keep begging you for mercy?
Will it speak to you with gentle words?
4 Will it make an agreement with you
for you to take it as your slave for life?
5 Can you make a pet of it like a bird
or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?
6 Will traders barter for it?
Will they divide it up among the merchants?
7 Can you fill its hide with harpoons
or its head with fishing spears?
8 If you lay a hand on it,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!
9 Any hope of subduing it is false;
the mere sight of it is overpowering.
10 No one is fierce enough to rouse it.
Who then is able to stand against me?
11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay?
Everything under heaven belongs to me.
12 “I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs,
its strength and its graceful form.
13 Who can strip off its outer coat?
Who can penetrate its double coat of armor?
14 Who dares open the doors of its mouth,
ringed about with fearsome teeth?
15 Its back has[c] rows of shields
tightly sealed together;
16 each is so close to the next
that no air can pass between.
17 They are joined fast to one another;
they cling together and cannot be parted.
18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light;
its eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Flames stream from its mouth;
sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from its nostrils
as from a boiling pot over burning reeds.
21 Its breath sets coals ablaze,
and flames dart from its mouth.
22 Strength resides in its neck;
dismay goes before it.
23 The folds of its flesh are tightly joined;
they are firm and immovable.
24 Its chest is hard as rock,
hard as a lower millstone.
25 When it rises up, the mighty are terrified;
they retreat before its thrashing.
26 The sword that reaches it has no effect,
nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.
27 Iron it treats like straw
and bronze like rotten wood.
28 Arrows do not make it flee;
slingstones are like chaff to it.
29 A club seems to it but a piece of straw;
it laughs at the rattling of the lance.
30 Its undersides are jagged potsherds,
leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.
31 It makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron
and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 It leaves a glistening wake behind it;
one would think the deep had white hair.
33 Nothing on earth is its equal —
a creature without fear.
34 It looks down on all that are haughty;
it is king over all that are proud. ”


In this case, the books said that the Leviathon was something like a Mososaur.

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I have, from my days of being a child, a gift from a family friend. Found it while I was cleaning shit out of my room back home last year. It's a creationist's book of dinosaurs and humans and how the Earth was formed (a children's illustrated book). I really really really need to photocopy that and post it.
 
ipitytheblue said:
I have, from my days of being a child, a gift from a family friend. Found it while I was cleaning shit out of my room back home last year. It's a creationist's book of dinosaurs and humans and how the Earth was formed. I really really really need to photocopy that and post it.
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This was probably my reading material of choice from the church library when I was a kid.

I had absolutely no interest in god, I just wanted to learn about dinosaurs.
 
PhDeac said:
This is one of the most foolish "debates" out there.

Hard core creationists should understand that science helps fill in "how" of Genesis 1 and still rely on the Bible for the "why".

Hard core evolution folks should understand that science should never be conflated with absolute truth and the many many gaps in what we know may possibly be filled by a higher power that we can never truly understand.
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So religion/higher power is just a pocket of ever decreasing scientific ignorance?
 
I know very little about the whole man and dinosaurs thing in the same place thing. My son loves dinosaurs and that's fine, but it's probably among the least necessary science to know. I'd rather he know the periodic table.

When are the different dinosaur eras compared to the estimated time of the first man?

Is it possible at that dinosaurs and man lived in the same time at different places? Man was pretty nomadic back in the day. Did they develop strategies to stay the hell away from dangerous animals?

I'm assume there haven't been any dinosaur fossils with a human skull in its mouth, so there's no evidence that dinosaurs killed man.
 
PhDeac said:
I know very little about the whole man and dinosaurs thing in the same place thing. My son loves dinosaurs and that's fine, but it's probably among the least necessary science to know. I'd rather he know the periodic table.

When are the different dinosaur eras compared to the estimated time of the first man?

Is it possible at that dinosaurs and man lived in the same time at different places? Man was pretty nomadic back in the day. Did they develop strategies to stay the hell away from dangerous animals?

I'm assume there haven't been any dinosaur fossils with a human skull in its mouth, so there's no evidence that dinosaurs killed man.
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Well, in a weird way, we do live with dinosaurs. Birds and sharks come to mind.
 
But, to answer your question, in a very basic way, homo erectus (primitive, yo), goes back about 2m years.

The reign of the reptilian terrestrial dinosaurs we usually think of (T Rex. etc.) ended with the Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event, which occurred 65.5m years ago. After that, we had the rise of the mammals. Mammoths, cats, dogs, and (eventually) us.
 
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PhDeac said:
I know very little about the whole man and dinosaurs thing in the same place thing. My son loves dinosaurs and that's fine, but it's probably among the least necessary science to know. I'd rather he know the periodic table.

When are the different dinosaur eras compared to the estimated time of the first man?

Is it possible at that dinosaurs and man lived in the same time at different places? Man was pretty nomadic back in the day. Did they develop strategies to stay the hell away from dangerous animals?

I'm assume there haven't been any dinosaur fossils with a human skull in its mouth, so there's no evidence that dinosaurs killed man.
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lol
 
Gotcha. Thanks.

Of course, reasonable creationists would simply argue God created the birds and animals first and man later. Dinosaurs could have died out or more than likely evolved out by the time man arrived on the scene.
 
PhDeac said:
I know very little about the whole man and dinosaurs thing in the same place thing. My son loves dinosaurs and that's fine, but it's probably among the least necessary science to know. I'd rather he know the periodic table.

When are the different dinosaur eras compared to the estimated time of the first man?

Is it possible at that dinosaurs and man lived in the same time at different places? Man was pretty nomadic back in the day. Did they develop strategies to stay the hell away from dangerous animals?

I'm assume there haven't been any dinosaur fossils with a human skull in its mouth, so there's no evidence that dinosaurs killed man.
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The dinosaurs(large reptiles) with which we are familiar died out around 65 million years ago. This was the impetus for our own evolution(and all larger mammals) so our ancestors most certainly lived with smaller dinosaurs that survived the KT events.
 
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