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WakeFanatic said:

Yeah, there's no comparison here between the two roles. Ledger portrayed an eccentric madman with tons of personality. He had room to be creative, to make it his own. He had no limitations. His performance was amazing, and there is no doubt he deserved his Oscar. I think Hardy deserves at least an Oscar nomination for his portrayal of Bane, and I don't quite understand why he's not getting much recognition for how amazing he was. I guess it's that people (mostly talking about the critical reaction here) wanted another Joker, but they got Hannibal Lecter mixed with Freddy Kruger, except he didn't deliver any wisecracks. Make no mistake though, Hardy had plenty of fun with this role. If you watch him closely there are several scenes where he does things that are hilarious (his line deliveries, the little shake he does at the end of his speech in front of Black Gate prison), Hardy put every bit as much of originality into his role as Ledger did into the Joker. And I find Hardy to be a more commanding presence. I think it will take a while for people to realize how incredible Hardy was in this role, and I think somewhere down the line people will be talking about Hardy's Bane as one of the best movie villains of all time.

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ImTheCaptain said:

wow, seriously? people need to pump the brakes when it comes to talking about these Batman movies

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ImTheCaptain said:

wow, seriously? people need to pump the brakes when it comes to talking about these Batman movies

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WakeFanatic said:

Yeah, there's no comparison here between the two roles. Ledger portrayed an eccentric madman with tons of personality. He had room to be creative, to make it his own. He had no limitations. His performance was amazing, and there is no doubt he deserved his Oscar. I think Hardy deserves at least an Oscar nomination for his portrayal of Bane, and I don't quite understand why he's not getting much recognition for how amazing he was. I guess it's that people (mostly talking about the critical reaction here) wanted another Joker, but they got Hannibal Lecter mixed with Freddy Kruger, except he didn't deliver any wisecracks. Make no mistake though, Hardy had plenty of fun with this role. If you watch him closely there are several scenes where he does things that are hilarious (his line deliveries, the little shake he does at the end of his speech in front of Black Gate prison), Hardy put every bit as much of originality into his role as Ledger did into the Joker. And I find Hardy to be a more commanding presence. I think it will take a while for people to realize how incredible Hardy was in this role, and I think somewhere down the line people will be talking about Hardy's Bane as one of the best movie villains of all time.

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WakeFanatic said:

I don't see why saying Hardy will one day be seen as a great all time villain is a "pump the brakes" worthy statement. I'm not saying the movie will one day be seen as one of the best flicks ever made, just that people don't seem to be recognizing the greatness of Hardy's performance.

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TownieDeac said:

I am with WakeFanatic on this one. I thought Hardy was unreal good. I would put him right there with Heath Ledger as a top villain. In an era of over-production often comes overacting, and neither one of these actors did that. They were over-the-top and under control at the same time, like a superevil comic book villain should be.

If I could make another comparison, I really wish Prometheus had been a better written movie because of the performances given by Fassbender and Theron. Even Fassbender's disembodied head was incredibly talented, much like the unbelievable emoting you could read from only Bane's body language and eyes.

I am still in the camp that Dark Knight was better than Rises, in spite of the former's few flaws (which as I've mentioned before for me deal with storyboarding and/or pacing), but some of the gripes y'all have put on these flicks are definitely because of the expectations Nolan has made for himself.

I'm asking this for discussion purposes, but do any of you think it's possible Nolan filmed bridges/locations around America that were more obviously American than Gothic for a reason? It's not a very big leap at all to make allegorical connections to contemporary America. When compared to Burton, I think people like feeling more immersed in Gotham than being jarred back to America by recognition, but I don't think it is necessarily a continuity flaw by a director with painstaking attention to detail.

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TownieDeac said:

I am with WakeFanatic on this one. I thought Hardy was unreal good. I would put him right there with Heath Ledger as a top villain. In an era of over-production often comes overacting, and neither one of these actors did that. They were over-the-top and under control at the same time, like a superevil comic book villain should be.

If I could make another comparison, I really wish Prometheus had been a better written movie because of the performances given by Fassbender and Theron. Even Fassbender's disembodied head was incredibly talented, much like the unbelievable emoting you could read from only Bane's body language and eyes.

I am still in the camp that Dark Knight was better than Rises, in spite of the former's few flaws (which as I've mentioned before for me deal with storyboarding and/or pacing), but some of the gripes y'all have put on these flicks are definitely because of the expectations Nolan has made for himself.

I'm asking this for discussion purposes, but do any of you think it's possible Nolan filmed bridges/locations around America that were more obviously American than Gothic for a reason? It's not a very big leap at all to make allegorical connections to contemporary America. When compared to Burton, I think people like feeling more immersed in Gotham than being jarred back to America by recognition, but I don't think it is necessarily a continuity flaw by a director with painstaking attention to detail.

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TownieDeac said:

I am with WakeFanatic on this one. I thought Hardy was unreal good. I would put him right there with Heath Ledger as a top villain. In an era of over-production often comes overacting, and neither one of these actors did that. They were over-the-top and under control at the same time, like a superevil comic book villain should be.

If I could make another comparison, I really wish Prometheus had been a better written movie because of the performances given by Fassbender and Theron. Even Fassbender's disembodied head was incredibly talented, much like the unbelievable emoting you could read from only Bane's body language and eyes.

I am still in the camp that Dark Knight was better than Rises, in spite of the former's few flaws (which as I've mentioned before for me deal with storyboarding and/or pacing), but some of the gripes y'all have put on these flicks are definitely because of the expectations Nolan has made for himself.

I'm asking this for discussion purposes, but do any of you think it's possible Nolan filmed bridges/locations around America that were more obviously American than Gothic for a reason? It's not a very big leap at all to make allegorical connections to contemporary America. When compared to Burton, I think people like feeling more immersed in Gotham than being jarred back to America by recognition, but I don't think it is necessarily a continuity flaw by a director with painstaking attention to detail.

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Deadbolt said:

I'd even go as far as to say Liam Neeson's R'as Al Ghul was better than Bane. Don't get me wrong, Hardy made what is a really corny character in the comics a believable, diabolical madman. I just wouldn't put him ahead of Ledger, Eckhart, Hathaway, or Neeson.

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Deacfreak07 said:

Now you are just trolling with your love of man eyes putting Murphy about Ledger.

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WakeFanatic said:

Haha, okay, I went a little far. No one ever seems to mention Murphy though.

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Deacfreak07 said:

Feels good to step away from the ledge doesn't it?

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Deacfreak07 said:

I assumed he came in fast. Everyone was distracted by the Joker about to slice Rachel up. Batman then grapples back up to the penthouse, and joker runs away. Not too far fetched.

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The Stig said:

It's not about how far fetched it is (I agree with you about grappling back up). The point was that it didn't happen on screen and most people don't talk about it. Batman surviving happens off screen and everyone is up in arms about how implausible it is that he would survive the blast radius. Basically, BB set the standard and got everyone stoked for TDK and seemed to overhype it before seeing it. TDK managed to hurdle the expectations and, at least in my mind, is the best comic book movie made to date. That made it impossible for TDKR to be given a fair chance, thus all the extreme nitpicking with stuff that was overlooked in the first two.

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