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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlSpackler88 View Post
    The surrounding states do not.
    The surrounding suburbs do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamOnDemOn View Post
    Yeah, but gun laws keep criminals from getting guns. Right.
    you're being myopic and obtuse. so what if chicago has strict gun laws, how effective can they be if not applied throughout illinois? and how effective would gun control be if the states bordering illinois don't also adopt stringent policies.

    all you've pointed out so far to me are two things: 1) some laws could be improved upon and 2) regulations must be uniformly applied across the country (federal legislation)

    Then all we need to worry about is illicit importation from mexico mainly, which can be a nice transition for the DEA. just like prohibition officers turned to policing marijuana (dirty mexicans!!) and opium (lazy chinamen!!) after alcohol was made legal again, we can set the DEA on a much more productive task.

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    Is there anywhere in this country where a felon is allowed to have a gun?

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    seems to me we need to round up the guns so felons cannot obtain them

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    Will criminals hand over their guns? It might be kind of tough to get them away from them. Tools of their trade. But I would sure like to see it.

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    you lily-white wannabes would fold up like a tent in the face of any real gun violence. It's funny that you think you'd be all Charles Bronson and shit, gettin into position and shootin' bad guys and saving the innocents. you'd have turds dribbling down your pant leg as you fell to the ground to play dead with your pistol still in its holster while the angry white teenager blasted away. hilarious

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    Are we so worried worried about gun profits that we won't even force manufacturers to start child-proofing guns? The technology is available and would serve multiple purposes. Are dead 2 and 3 year olds really part of the cost of the 2nd amendment?

    Cue some fucking idiot talking about how many 2 year olds die in car accidents.

  8. #208
    Many states already require them. You can buy trigger locks separately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WakeandBake View Post
    you lily-white wannabes would fold up like a tent in the face of any real gun violence. It's funny that you think you'd be all Charles Bronson and shit, gettin into position and shootin' bad guys and saving the innocents. you'd have turds dribbling down your pant leg as you fell to the ground to play dead with your pistol still in its holster while the angry white teenager blasted away. hilarious
    I'm nowhere near as worried about that as I am innocent people getting shot because of someone trying to play Big Shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamOnDemOn View Post
    Will criminals hand over their guns? It might be kind of tough to get them away from them. Tools of their trade. But I would sure like to see it.
    yes, the sort of criminal you are talking about is the sort that is in constant need of money. if he has a S&W 380 ACP valued at 120, offer 300 for that gun, paid in cash, no questions asked. Keep a policy like that in place permanently and you'd be surprised not only with how many firearms you'd initially get, but also whatever gets past border security is still likely to be taken off the underground market within a decade.

    couple that with broader changes in the criminal justice system and societal attitudes--move away from the puritanical isolation over time model of punishment, to one more geared towards rehabilitation. then change legislation and attitudes that condemn criminals to a marginalized life on the economic periphery (which forces them back into crime), into a system of reintegrative shaming which is ultimately designed to get people to obey the social contract and rejoin society as an equal because they are made to see how it's in their best interest (which is also in our best interest because we need economically productive citizens, not citizens locked in cells burdening our economy)

    where do we get the money for this (aside from taxing the shit out of people with more than 4 houses?)? from the steady drop in incarceration rates + cuts to defense (including LEO over time as they become less necessary).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmcheatw View Post
    yes, the sort of criminal you are talking about is the sort that is in constant need of money. if he has a S&W 380 ACP valued at 120, offer 300 for that gun, paid in cash, no questions asked. Keep a policy like that in place permanently and you'd be surprised not only with how many firearms you'd initially get, but also whatever gets past border security is still likely to be taken off the underground market within a decade.

    couple that with broader changes in the criminal justice system and societal attitudes--move away from the puritanical isolation over time model of punishment, to one more geared towards rehabilitation. then change legislation and attitudes that condemn criminals to a marginalized life on the economic periphery (which forces them back into crime), into a system of reintegrative shaming which is ultimately designed to get people to obey the social contract and rejoin society as an equal because they are made to see how it's in their best interest (which is also in our best interest because we need economically productive citizens, not citizens locked in cells burdening our economy)

    where do we get the money for this (aside from taxing the shit out of people with more than 4 houses?)? from the steady drop in incarceration rates + cuts to defense (including LEO over time as they become less necessary).
    It sounds good in theory but gun buybacks historically have not put a dent in the number of gun crimes.

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    Have there been any large scale buybacks, or just small, community buybacks?

  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Marietta Deac View Post
    It sounds good in theory but gun buybacks historically have not put a dent in the number of gun crimes.
    Australia's did.

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    MILWAUKEE — An Iraq War veteran told detectives that he stalked his wife for several days while she was patrolling the streets of the Milwaukee suburb where she was a police officer, then ambushed her in the early hours of Christmas Eve and killed her, according to prosecutors.

    Ben Gabriel Sebena, 30, was charged Thursday with first-degree intentional homicide in the death of his wife, Jennifer Sebena, who was found dead in front of Wauwatosa's fire station by her fellow officers before dawn on Monday. She had been shot five times in the head.

    Ben Sebena made an initial court appearance Thursday, and a court commissioner ordered the decorated Marine Corps veteran held on $1 million cash bond. Sebena wasn't required to enter a plea, and his attorney, Michael Steinle, didn't immediately respond to a phone message seeking comment.

    Authorities say officers went to check on Jennifer Sebena when she didn't respond to radio calls. She joined the police force two years ago and had been patrolling alone on the night she was killed.

    "She was everything I could hope for in a young police officer: intelligent, energetic, willing to be of service and wanting to be a great police officer," Wauwatosa police Chief Barry Weber said at a news conference.

    Investigators said they found a number of details tying Ben Sebena to the killing. Surveillance video showed a vehicle that matches his in the area around the time of the shooting, and detectives who searched the couple's home found a gun in the attic that fires ammunition matching the bullet casings found at the scene. They also found Jennifer Sebena's service weapon hidden in the attic.

    The investigation began when Ben Sebena called police Monday about 6:30 a.m. asking them to check on his wife's well-being. A police sergeant called him back five minutes later telling him to come to the station because his wife had been involved in an incident.

    Ben Sebena didn't ask what happened, the complaint said. Later, when he was told at the station that his wife had been killed, he still didn't ask what happened to her.

    During the interview, Ben Sebena "stated that he had been jealous of other men with regards to his wife," the complaint said.

    Less than three weeks before she died, Jennifer Sebena told a colleague that her husband had acted violently toward her and put a gun to her head, prosecutors said.

    The police chief said he wasn't aware of issues that would have been a cause for concern for Jennifer Sebena's safety.

    The state Justice Department is assisting in the investigation. Dave Spakowicz, the director of the department's criminal-investigation operations, said authorities are not speculating on a motive.

    While at the police station, officers used video equipment to monitor Ben Sebena as he sat in an empty room. A detective heard him talking to himself, saying something to the effect that his wife had been helping him, adding, "How could I do that to her."

    Ben Sebena told investigators he had been stalking his wife for a few days. He said he waited a few hours near the fire department where officers often take breaks, and when he saw her squad car he opened fire. He said she reached for her weapon and he took it from her holster, and then shot her repeatedly in the face.

    "Benjamin Sebena stated that he wanted to make sure she was dead so she wouldn't suffer," the complaint said.

    Ben Sebena served two tours in Iraq with the Marine Corps. He was honorably discharged in 2005 after suffering severe arm and leg injuries in a mortar attack that year. Among the 10 medals or commendations he was awarded were a Purple Heart, a Good Conduct medal and a rifle expert badge.

    In a 10-minute video for his church made in 2010, Ben Sebena describes his transformation into a decorated war veteran rediscovered a love of God.

    "Before I went in I was pretty much a hippie. I was very laid back but the anger was there – it was just very hidden," he said.

    He said he joined the military because he felt unloved and unimportant, and that the Marines helped him centralize the anger, but that the rage persisted even when he returned to the U.S. He said he would ignore red lights and tear down the freeway on his motorcycle at 150 mph.

    He also discussed his blossoming relationship with Jennifer, whom he knew from high school and with whom he exchanged emails during his recovery.

    "Our love flourished. We became actually infatuated with each other," he said in the video for Elmbrook Church in nearby Brookfield. The church's pastor, Scott Arbeiter, confirmed to The Associated Press that it was Ben Sebena in the video.

    Jennifer Sebena's funeral is scheduled for Saturday.

    ___

    Associated Press writer Carrie Antlfinger contributed to this report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeachBumDeac View Post
    Australia's did.
    Hasn't worked in the US. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Australia's wasn't voluntary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeachBumDeac View Post
    Australia's did.
    Absolutely. A buy-back program here would have to be done on a much larger scale, obviously. But I think it could be done.


    http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/201...provide_a.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marietta Deac View Post
    Hasn't worked in the US. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Australia's wasn't voluntary.
    We've never done it on the same scale. Take a look at the results from the small community buybacks that have been held.

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    A holiday buy back program would have been ideal. Tough economic times. Good stimulus for holiday sales.

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    All of the talk about increased gun control had the opposite effect in December. Some of these purchasers are irrational but for some it is an investment.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9010H020130102

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    A holiday buy back program would have been ideal. Tough economic times. Good stimulus for holiday sales.
    agreed. cash in pocket and gun off the street win/win.

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