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    Quote Originally Posted by BarcaDeac View Post
    in these instances where a child shoots themselves with a gun found in the house, how many of the gun owners would have considered themselves "responsible" gun owners prior to the incident. whenever something happens, these so so-called responsible ones come on here and say, "well if they were a responsible gun owner then they would've..."
    Most police officers no what is responsible and and what is not. If the parents were not responsible, then arrest them for involuntary manslaughter.

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Marietta Deac View Post
    Most police officers no what is responsible and and what is not. If the parents were not responsible, then arrest them for involuntary manslaughter.
    Sounds like that trusting that parental and personal responsibility is working really well for the 3 year olds of the world.

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    That doesn't make the kid undead.

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    Three innocent bystanders shot, including a 3 year old, by stray bullets in Johnston County

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/01/...ng-mother.html

  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Marietta Deac;1066124[B
    ]Most police officers no what is responsible and and what is not.[/B] If the parents were not responsible, then arrest them for involuntary manslaughter.
    you mean like that cop who let his three year old nephew blow his head off while he went to go pay for some gas mentioned a couple pages ago? it's beyond the scope of this thread so we may need to make a new one but i strongly beg to differ with what you just wrote there.

    on the whole police officers are not that intelligent, in NC you're not even required to have a 2 year degree to become a cop. Cops who come from the military have even less capacity to think critically, as they have been drilled to believe things must be done a certain way all the time, and that an authority figure is always right and must always be obeyed. There are a lot of good cops, but an equal number of bad ones in my experience. and they are all reactionary and most are more concerned with "collecting taxes" and arresting people who are rude to them than they are concerned with arresting actual criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmcheatw View Post
    on the whole police officers are not that intelligent, in NC you're not even required to have a 2 year degree to become a cop. Cops who come from the military have even less capacity to think critically, as they have been drilled to believe things must be done a certain way all the time, and that an authority figure is always right and must always be obeyed. There are a lot of good cops, but an equal number of bad ones in my experience.
    Just out of curiosity, I'd be interested in hearing about your experiences with law enforcement officers (to include former military policemen) upon which you base your sweeping generalities.

  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by 19deac92 View Post
    Just out of curiosity, I'd be interested in hearing about your experiences with law enforcement officers (to include former military policemen) upon which you base your sweeping generalities.
    yeah, me too. those are some pretty damning statements.
    I know how to spell definitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmcheatw View Post
    you mean like that cop who let his three year old nephew blow his head off while he went to go pay for some gas mentioned a couple pages ago? it's beyond the scope of this thread so we may need to make a new one but i strongly beg to differ with what you just wrote there.

    on the whole police officers are not that intelligent, in NC you're not even required to have a 2 year degree to become a cop. Cops who come from the military have even less capacity to think critically, as they have been drilled to believe things must be done a certain way all the time, and that an authority figure is always right and must always be obeyed. There are a lot of good cops, but an equal number of bad ones in my experience. and they are all reactionary and most are more concerned with "collecting taxes" and arresting people who are rude to them than they are concerned with arresting actual criminals.
    education required to be a police officer in NC depends on the jurisdiction. I know for a fact of some jurisdictions that require 4 year degrees to become an officer.

    i'm not quite sure what you mean by "more concerned with "collecting taxes.""

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeacHawk View Post
    education required to be a police officer in NC depends on the jurisdiction. I know for a fact of some jurisdictions that require 4 year degrees to become an officer.

    i'm not quite sure what you mean by "more concerned with "collecting taxes.""

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by DeacHawk View Post
    education required to be a police officer in NC depends on the jurisdiction. I know for a fact of some jurisdictions that require 4 year degrees to become an officer.

    i'm not quite sure what you mean by "more concerned with "collecting taxes.""
    Local police / Sheriffs get zero cut from the fines of writing tickets.

    Sheriff's offices generate revenue for their counties from serving court papers, processing pistol permits and keeping state / federal inmates.

    Some police / sheriffs collect money for records printing to cover the cost of the processing / printing.
    Last edited by bym051d; 01-04-2013 at 10:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlSpackler88 View Post
    What do DC and Alaska have in common?

    GUN DEATHS PER 100,000 PEOPLE

    # 1 District of Columbia: 31.2
    # 2 Alaska: 20
    # 3 Louisiana: 19.5
    # 4 Wyoming: 18.8
    # 5 Arizona: 18
    # 6 Nevada: 17.3
    # 6 Mississippi: 17.3
    # 8 New Mexico: 16.6
    # 9 Arkansas: 16.3
    # 10 Alabama: 16.2
    # 11 Tennessee: 15.4
    # 12 West Virginia: 14.7
    # 13 Montana: 14.5
    # 14 South Carolina: 13.8
    # 15 North Carolina: 13.6
    # 16 Georgia: 13.4
    # 17 Kentucky: 13.1
    # 17 Oklahoma: 13.1
    # 19 Missouri: 12.3
    # 19 Idaho: 12.3
    # 21 Indiana: 11.7
    # 22 Colorado: 11.5
    # 22 Maryland: 11.5
    # 24 Florida: 11.1
    # 24 Virginia: 11.1
    # 26 Texas: 11
    # 27 Michigan: 10.9
    # 28 Oregon: 10.5
    # 29 Pennsylvania: 9.9
    # 30 California: 9.8
    # 31 Illinois: 9.7
    # 31 Kansas: 9.7
    # 31 Utah: 9.7
    # 34 Vermont: 9.6
    # 35 Ohio: 9.3
    # 35 Washington: 9.3
    # 37 Delaware: 9.1
    # 37 North Dakota: 9.1
    # 39 Wisconsin: 8.1
    # 39 Nebraska: 8.1
    # 41 South Dakota: 7.9
    # 42 Iowa: 6.7
    # 43 Maine: 6.5
    # 44 Minnesota: 6
    # 45 New Hampshire: 5.8
    # 46 Rhode Island: 5.1
    # 46 New York: 5.1
    # 48 New Jersey: 4.9
    # 49 Connecticut: 4.3
    # 50 Massachusetts: 3.1
    # 51 Hawaii: 2.8

    Weighted average: 11.5
    Of the Top 20 states/district where you are most likely to die by gun, 17 are red states. The ten you are least likely to are all blue states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bym051d View Post
    Sheriff's offices generate revenue for their counties from serving court papers, processing pistol permits and keeping state / federal inmates.

    Some police / sheriffs collect money for records printing to cover the cost of the processing / printing.
    is that directed at me? i know about revenue generated by public safety in NC, i was just curious as to his using "collecting taxes" to explain it. Never heard it like that.

    and like you said, tickets do not provide funding to police/Sheriff, it goes to education

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeacHawk View Post
    is that directed at me? i know about revenue generated by public safety in NC, i was just curious as to his using "collecting taxes" to explain it. Never heard it like that.

    and like you said, tickets do not provide funding to police/Sheriff, it goes to education
    It was intended as follow-up to your response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bym051d View Post
    It was intended as follow-up to your response.
    gotcha, no worries.

    one note on those Sheriff's revenues, state and federal inmates are great revenue generators, if you're jail has the space to house them. when discussing new jail or expansions, revenue from housing state and feds is definitely something that affects the bottom line

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by DeacHawk View Post
    gotcha, no worries.

    one note on those Sheriff's revenues, state and federal inmates are great revenue generators, if you're jail has the space to house them. when discussing new jail or expansions, revenue from housing state and feds is definitely something that affects the bottom line
    The state actually has a program that jails can volunteer for now that lets the state farm out misdemeanants to free up state prison space for convicted inmates. Before, it was mainly pre-trail state inmates.

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by 19deac92 View Post
    Just out of curiosity, I'd be interested in hearing about your experiences with law enforcement officers (to include former military policemen) upon which you base your sweeping generalities.
    sure, i'll tell you more than you wanna know, just gimmie a bit busy today.

  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    Of the Top 20 states/district where you are most likely to die by gun, 17 are red states. The ten you are least likely to are all blue states.
    Crats shoot more people in Pub states.

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by CarlSpackler88 View Post
    What do DC and Alaska have in common?

    GUN DEATHS PER 100,000 PEOPLE

    # 1 District of Columbia: 31.2
    # 2 Alaska: 20
    # 3 Louisiana: 19.5
    # 4 Wyoming: 18.8
    # 5 Arizona: 18
    # 6 Nevada: 17.3
    # 6 Mississippi: 17.3
    # 8 New Mexico: 16.6
    # 9 Arkansas: 16.3
    # 10 Alabama: 16.2
    # 11 Tennessee: 15.4
    # 12 West Virginia: 14.7
    # 13 Montana: 14.5
    # 14 South Carolina: 13.8
    # 15 North Carolina: 13.6
    # 16 Georgia: 13.4
    # 17 Kentucky: 13.1
    # 17 Oklahoma: 13.1
    # 19 Missouri: 12.3
    # 19 Idaho: 12.3
    # 21 Indiana: 11.7
    # 22 Colorado: 11.5
    # 22 Maryland: 11.5
    # 24 Florida: 11.1
    # 24 Virginia: 11.1
    # 26 Texas: 11
    # 27 Michigan: 10.9
    # 28 Oregon: 10.5
    # 29 Pennsylvania: 9.9
    # 30 California: 9.8
    # 31 Illinois: 9.7
    # 31 Kansas: 9.7
    # 31 Utah: 9.7
    # 34 Vermont: 9.6
    # 35 Ohio: 9.3
    # 35 Washington: 9.3
    # 37 Delaware: 9.1
    # 37 North Dakota: 9.1
    # 39 Wisconsin: 8.1
    # 39 Nebraska: 8.1
    # 41 South Dakota: 7.9
    # 42 Iowa: 6.7
    # 43 Maine: 6.5
    # 44 Minnesota: 6
    # 45 New Hampshire: 5.8
    # 46 Rhode Island: 5.1
    # 46 New York: 5.1
    # 48 New Jersey: 4.9
    # 49 Connecticut: 4.3
    # 50 Massachusetts: 3.1
    # 51 Hawaii: 2.8

    Weighted average: 11.5
    Match these numbers with gun ownership.

  20. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by WFFaithful View Post
    Match these numbers with gun ownership.
    Why don't we take it a step further and pull a dick move like that newspaper did in New York and put an interactive map of the United States of all the gunowners so we can see where they live.

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