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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    Someone else used their military training against Americans.

    And we collectively shrug.
    I haven't seen anything that suggested he implemented any tactical training. I also could have missed it. Is there any statistical correlation between military service and mass shooters?

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    He didn't learn how to use a gun in the military?

    Given that veterans make up a very small number of the population and a notable number of mass shooters, yeah, there's probably a statistical correlation even after controlling for other factors.

    There are a host of issues our veterans face that don't get addressed. Plenty are killing themselves at a ridiculous rate and then you have those turning weapons against Americans.

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    Veterans and Mass Shootings


    Some place to start looking, per google.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    He didn't learn how to use a gun in the military?

    Given that veterans make up a very small number of the population and a notable number of mass shooters, yeah, there's probably a statistical correlation even after controlling for other factors.

    There are a host of issues our veterans face that don't get addressed. Plenty are killing themselves at a ridiculous rate and then you have those turning weapons against Americans.
    Using/learning to use a gun isn't specifically military training. Anyone anywhere can learn those skills. Now if he had used some sort of military or tactical maneuvering, I'd agree. While you "shoot guns" in the military, it's not much different than what goes on millions of times a day at a public range. Military training would indicate something more than aiming and firing.

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    you can learn how to shoot outside law enforcement and the military but the military in particular teaches you how to evaluate targets and shoot at people while being shot at, specifically.

    worth noting the gun battle was unusually long in this instance

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    I think you're fighting a losing battle by arguing that a soldier can pick up a gun and just shut off his military training.

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    Veterans and Mass Shootings


    Some place to start looking, per google.
    That's an op-ed from a professor of anthropology.

    Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    I think you're fighting a losing battle by arguing that a soldier can pick up a gun and just shut off his military training.
    If anyone is an expert on fighting a losing battle... it's PhDeac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Angus View Post
    That's an op-ed from a professor of anthropology.

    Try again.
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    If anyone is an expert on fighting a losing battle... it's PhDeac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Angus View Post
    That's an op-ed from a professor of anthropology.

    Try again.
    Itís a start if you want to look into the question.

    Do your own search.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    I think you're fighting a losing battle by arguing that a soldier can pick up a gun and just shut off his military training.
    Thatís not what Iím saying at all. Iím saying that your assertion that the military pumps out thousands of unstable men who are a step away from the Klan or becoming a mass shooter is problematic. Besides anecdotal evidence, I havenít seen any actual evidence that itís true. If the evidence exists and is verifiable, Iím happy to eat crow.

    Now if you want to roll this into a conversation about better mental/physical care for the vets when they leave the service, Iím all for that. The VA is not great.

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    The VA is doing what theyíve can with what theyíve got. The same people who love paying for war hate paying for veteran care.

    As far as the first paragraph, thatís not what I said. If you donít want me to misinterpret your disagreement with me, disagree with what I actually say.

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    Heard a very good point on 1A today about active shooter drills. Workplace and school shootings are often committed by disgruntled workers and students who are familiar with the active shooter protocols. They can use that knowledge to maximize casualties. I think the Parkland shooter did that.

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    So Republicans want to shift the focus from keeping guns out of schools to winning gun battles inside schools. Never mind that over 99.9% of school gun free zones don't experience gun violence.
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    Thank god nobody ever died from friendly fire.

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    Next the NRA will successfully lobby Congressional Republicans to introduce bills to arm all students from kindergarten through twelfth grade. Pistol holster accessories will be developed, and bookbags will be designed to hold semiautomatics. Any would-be school shooter will have to face down pistol-packin' Mrs. Smith and her angry mob of gun-totin' first-graders. "Honey, what did you do at school today? Oh, I blew away that bad man who was trying to shoot up the school!" That should really make our schools safe!

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