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Ongoing gun violence/injury thread

The United States is producing a massive number of guns, and these guns are used to kill Americans at an extremely high rate. In addition, these guns are flowing into Mexico and Canada. More than half of the killings in Mexico are from guns made in the United States. Canada previously did not track this information, but they plan to as they suspect many come from the US.
 
yeah. I'm surprised someone of Angus's intelligence doesn't realize he is being bamboozled so badly.
 
WakeandBake said:
National gun control legislation would reduce gun deaths nationally, this is not disputed by anyone except the gun nuts and the misinformation peddlers you are parroting
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https://static1.squarespace.com/static/592b5bbfd482e9898c67fd98/t/5d20bd79590054000153b5b1/1562426746416/gunControlStats.pdf

Does Gun Control Reduce Violent Crime?

Gun control laws, in turn, are intended to reduce crime and violence rates by restricting the availability of firearms among persons believed to be at higher risk of committing acts of violence. Although some laws hypothetically might do this by reducing gun levels in the general population,neither the federal government nor any state has ever banned the ownership of guns or even any large subset of guns, such as handguns. Further, prior research indicates that existing laws have no measurable effect on overall gun ownership levels in the population as a whole (Kleck & Patterson, 1993). Instead, gun laws are intended to block acquisition, possession, and criminal use of guns by members of high-risk subsets of the population, such as convicted criminals, mentally ill persons, alcoholics, or drug addicts.
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To summarize, we have strong evidence that higher gun levels do not cause more crime. One implication of these findings is that general gun ownership could not mediate the effect of gun control laws on crime. Consequently, if gun laws were passed that were intended to reduce violent crime by reducing general gun ownership levels, they would be likely to fail because even if they did
succeed in reducing general gun levels, this would not lead to a reduction in violent crime. Gun ownership levels among criminals, however, may have violence-increasing effects that are canceled out by violence-decreasing effects of gun ownership among noncriminals. Thus, our results do not allow us to rule out the possibility of violence-increasing effects of criminal gun possession.
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Rafi said:
None of the guns come from Chicago
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None of the guns used in Chicago crimes are procured in the city???? Link?

Rafi said:
The United States is producing a massive number of guns, and these guns are used to kill Americans at an extremely high rate. In addition, these guns are flowing into Mexico and Canada. More than half of the killings in Mexico are from guns made in the United States.
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Totally agree that the US is a large gun manufacturer. What does that have to do with the debate over whether increased gun regulation will reduce violent crime?
 
Colonel Angus said:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/592b5bbfd482e9898c67fd98/t/5d20bd79590054000153b5b1/1562426746416/gunControlStats.pdf

Does Gun Control Reduce Violent Crime?
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Abstract
Do gun control laws reduce violence? To answer this question, a city-level cross-sectional analysis
was performed on data pertaining to every U.S. city with a population of at least 25,000 in 1990 (n ¼
1,078), assessing the impact of 19 major types of gun control laws, and controlling for gun ownership
levels and numerous other possible confounders. Models were estimated using instrumental variables (IVs) regression to address endogeneity of gun levels due to reverse causality. Results indicate
that gun control laws generally show no evidence of effects on crime rates, possibly because gun
levels do not have a net positive effect on violence rates. Although a minority of laws seem to show
effects, they are as likely to imply violence-increasing effects as violence-decreasing effects. There
were, however, a few noteworthy exceptions: requiring a license to possess a gun and bans on
purchases of guns by alcoholics appear to reduce rates of both homicide and robbery. Weaker
evidence suggests that bans on gun purchases by criminals and on possession by mentally ill persons
may reduce assault rates, and that bans on gun purchase by criminals may also reduce robbery rates.
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I didn't read the whole thing but the numerous other possible confounders and the models estimated IV regression etc etc by a guy from the University of Texas at Dallas and another guy from Florida State and a Wisconsin Supreme Court is your definitive proof? Even they admitted in their abstract that they work.
 
Can't believe a journal in 2016 published a study on gun laws based on 1990 data. That's before the Brady Bill, the Assault Weapons Ban, Heller and plenty of state and local level changes to gun laws.
 
BarcaDeac said:
what do YOU think should be done? clearly these Democrat-led positions aren't working. what's the Republican fix?
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The Republican (NRA) answer is no doubt to ensure that every single American from age five and up owns a gun. That will solve everything.
 
Colonel Angus said:
None of the guns used in Chicago crimes are procured in the city???? Link?
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That is correct. This has been studied very thoroughly, to the point that it is known not only which city but which store sold the gun, and how sales are trending with that store over time. There are guns sold in the suburbs of Chicago, but not the city proper. You can read all the information here, but for a quick overview you can look at the map on page 3. https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam... Room/Press Releases/2017/October/GTR2017.pdf

I read the study you linked. As others have noted, it looks at data from 1990. Even so, it showed benefit of some gun laws. A much better meta-analysis (way more data) can be found here. It is really comprehensive and assesses the efficacy of many gun laws https://www.rand.org/research/gun-p...lls-us-about-the-effects-of-gun-policies.html
 
Why bother with having laws at all if criminals aren't going to follow them. I guess without laws we wouldn't need law enforcement. #Angusabolishthepolice
 
Colonel Angus said:
Totally agree that the US is a large gun manufacturer. What does that have to do with the debate over whether increased gun regulation will reduce violent crime?
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It’s all related. Better gun laws (universal background checks, red flag laws, magazine limitations, and permit requirements) will decrease the number of guns sold. Less demand will lead to less gun manufacturing. Fewer guns will lead to less gun violence.
 
 
It went from nothing to pretty much mandatory within 2-3 years. When we had our 8 year old, nobody asked us if we were going to do a gender reveal party. By 5-6 years or so ago, it became a must do thing.
 
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and also what the hell with this thing where the guy has to put together an elaborate marriage proposal where the friends and family are hiding and come out and are filming it and all that?

same thing happening now with prom invitations. This woman at my office had all these pics and story about how the kid who asked her daughter to the prom made all these signs and a cake and shit just to ask her. I'm glad I just walked up to a girl and asked her, that's horrifying enough without all that.
 
The mayor of Roanoke, Va is asking the community to get involved in stopping gun violence:

https://www.wsls.com/news/local/202...ootings/?__vfz=medium=conversations_top_pages

Lea said the buck stops here as he and other city leaders are distraught from the string of violence.

“I am so tired of people getting shot in our city and in a certain section of town and we’re shooting each other,” Lea said. “This young child somehow got the mindset that he could pull out a gun and take a life, just think about that, just think about that and what it takes to do that...Young students now are seeing bodies lying in the street and it doesn’t even bother them, they just keep walking, something about the mentality is just not right with that...Our police are not using guns or shooting people, we’re doing it ourselves, especially in the African-American community, we’re shooting each other, senselessly...So we want to walk around, and people are protesting in front of the police department and saying hey no peace, no justice, well we need to turn that around and take it to the neighborhoods and say let’s stop shooting each other. Black lives do matter because, right now, one would ask the question: Does it really?...individuals, families, people, parents, grandparents, what are you doing, what are you allowing to go on, you’ve got to be accountable for this, you’ve got to be,”
 
It's always funny to me how white people think Black leaders telling Black people to stop shooting each other is some kind of gotcha moment around guns and policing. That statement is a cliche. It's only special to you if you don't follow these issues.

Black leaders have been consistently promoting anti-violence messages for decades. That's why they also support gun reforms and some manner of police reforms. White leaders need to step up and do the same.
 
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So what you're saying is that black people don't listen to black leaders ?
 
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