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    I understand the calls for gun control, especially after horrific shootings like Uvalde when emotions are running high. I think it is absurd that it's easier to get a gun than a driver's license so common sense laws like an extensive training requirement and background checks would be welcome.

    However, consider the following:

    1. More people are killed by stabbing than by shooting.
    2. More mass shootings (4 or more people are killed) are carried out with handguns than assault rifles.
    3. School shootings are a fairly recent phenomenon.

    Given the above, I think most of the legislative proposals are missing the point. When a killer reaches the point where they want to kill innocent children, it's too late.

    The question becomes: what is unique about American society that produces this homicidal pathology with increasingly frequency in its young men?

    I would propose the following in no particular order: the disintegration of the nuclear family (no male role models), societal atomization, glorification of sex and violence, gun culture, Big Pharma prescribing pills like candy, growing economic inequality and decreasing social/economic mobility resulting in young people feeling hopeless/anger, etc. Gun control does nothing to address these underlying issues.

    People will counter that other countries have the same issues, the only difference is easy access to guns. I would counter that school shootings/stabbings and mass shootings happen elsewhere, just to a lesser degree (see: Denmark mall shooting this week, Sweden school stabbing in May, etc.), and that the US is unique amongst developed countries in reporting declining life expectancy due to diseases of despair, opioid/obesity epidemics, etc. I suspect the economic, societal, psychological, and spiritual factors that contribute to the uniquely American rise in deaths of despair overlap with the factors that contribute to American mass shootings.

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    Ongoing gun violence/injury thread

    It’s always funny to me when people who are against gun reform suggest tackling other problems the left wants to address first then come back to guns. That goes for addressing gang violence by better conditions in low income communities as well as creating a social democracy where people aren’t in such despair trying to get basic needs met (food, shelter, health care, etc).

    A few facts. School shootings are fairly recent as of Heller, ending the assault weapons ban, and loosening gun laws at the state level. Mass shootings are a daily occurrence in the US and very rare in the rest of the world. Citing that one time a mass shooting/killing happened elsewhere compared to the mass shooting we heard of this week is just misleading.

    Oh and this country has such a horrible gun culture that thousands of people use buying guns as therapy. Some of those pathetic losers take it a step further by killing some of the rest of us. You talk about “drugs?” Guns are a drug for many people. What other explanation do you have for someone with two hands and 100 firearms? It’s addiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2mankini View Post
    I understand the calls for gun control, especially after horrific shootings like Uvalde when emotions are running high. I think it is absurd that it's easier to get a gun than a driver's license so common sense laws like an extensive training requirement and background checks would be welcome.

    However, consider the following:

    1. More people are killed by stabbing than by shooting.
    2. More mass shootings (4 or more people are killed) are carried out with handguns than assault rifles.
    3. School shootings are a fairly recent phenomenon.

    Given the above, I think most of the legislative proposals are missing the point. When a killer reaches the point where they want to kill innocent children, it's too late.

    The question becomes: what is unique about American society that produces this homicidal pathology with increasingly frequency in its young men?

    I would propose the following in no particular order: the disintegration of the nuclear family (no male role models), societal atomization, glorification of sex and violence, gun culture, Big Pharma prescribing pills like candy, growing economic inequality and decreasing social/economic mobility resulting in young people feeling hopeless/anger, etc. Gun control does nothing to address these underlying issues.

    People will counter that other countries have the same issues, the only difference is easy access to guns. I would counter that school shootings/stabbings and mass shootings happen elsewhere, just to a lesser degree (see: Denmark mall shooting this week, Sweden school stabbing in May, etc.), and that the US is unique amongst developed countries in reporting declining life expectancy due to diseases of despair, opioid/obesity epidemics, etc. I suspect the economic, societal, psychological, and spiritual factors that contribute to the uniquely American rise in deaths of despair overlap with the factors that contribute to American mass shootings.
    The fact that Denmark had it's first mass shooting in seven years should serve as an example that gun control works, rather than a counter argument when the US has had 309 already this year.

    And i don't know where you heard that more people are killed by stabbings than shootings, but in the US, in 2017, these are the homicide stats:

    Total Firearms: 10,982
    Knives or cutting instruments: 1,591

    It's like you don't even care about the obvious facts. But hey, Americans are depressed because they don't have a dad and watch porn and play video games and take Prozac. Oh, nevermind that they can purchase a gun (of basically any type) and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and act out their worst thoughts in less than a day, or less than an hour if they're more informed.
    Last edited by BiffTannen; 07-06-2022 at 08:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiffTannen View Post
    Total Firearms: 10,982
    Knives or cutting instruments: 1,591
    I'm glad you looked up the stat. I was pretty sure he was wrong, but didn't bother to look it up.

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    Those are 2017 stats from the FBI. Not sure why I couldn't find more recent, but those are the first that popped up.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...a-table-11.xls

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    it's definitely easier to get a gun than a driver's license

    what the fuck is section2 on about

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheCaptain View Post
    it's definitely easier to get a gun than a driver's license

    what the fuck is section2 on about
    It's like he took the talking points of MTG and Boebert, dumbed them down, and made them less accurate before posting them here in front of a very critical bunch that he knew would disagree.

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    In response to Section 2, we can walk and chew gum: common sense gun control is absolutely necessary and while it will not eliminate gun violence it will lower it; the psychology and root causes of this horrific type of crime need to be addressed. There is something different about our society.

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    Well just use that above post as an example of how misinformed and dumb as shit the gun crowd is

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    Quote Originally Posted by deactherunner View Post
    Hey Bill, remind us why you’ve been reduced to ranting on your website and you got replaced by Tuck’s White Power Hour

  11. #8931
    Quote Originally Posted by bym051d View Post
    I'm glad you looked up the stat. I was pretty sure he was wrong, but didn't bother to look it up.
    Stabbing deaths per capital per knife per use per minute are higher than gun deaths per bullet purchased (when counting each pellet in a shot gun shell as a separate bullet).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Gossett Jr View Post
    Well just use that above post as an example of how misinformed and dumb as shit the gun crowd is
    I bet that idiot calls a clip a magazine.
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  13. #8933
    I can't remember which Gladwell book it is, but he talks about how female suicides spiked when gas ovens first came out, not because women were suddenly more depressed than they had been, but because the means became readily available.

    It's that intersection of "moment of weakness" (for lack of a better phrase) and ease of access that led to the higher suicide rate. I think that theory could easily be applied to gun violence. Mental health is certainly an issue, but the intersection of a mental health crisis and ease of access to a gun is what causes catastrophe.
    Last edited by Demonwolverine; 07-06-2022 at 10:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarcaDeac View Post
    Hey Bill, remind us why you’ve been reduced to ranting on your website and you got replaced by Tuck’s White Power Hour
    I will say watching the downfall of that smug bastard five years ago was enjoyable. Unfortunately, he was replaced by someone who was even worse.

  15. #8935
    Quote Originally Posted by Section2mankini View Post
    I understand the calls for gun control, especially after horrific shootings like Uvalde when emotions are running high. I think it is absurd that it's easier to get a gun than a driver's license so common sense laws like an extensive training requirement and background checks would be welcome.

    However, consider the following:

    1. More people are killed by stabbing than by shooting.
    2. More mass shootings (4 or more people are killed) are carried out with handguns than assault rifles.
    3. School shootings are a fairly recent phenomenon.

    Given the above, I think most of the legislative proposals are missing the point. When a killer reaches the point where they want to kill innocent children, it's too late.

    The question becomes: what is unique about American society that produces this homicidal pathology with increasingly frequency in its young men?

    I would propose the following in no particular order: the disintegration of the nuclear family (no male role models), societal atomization, glorification of sex and violence, gun culture, Big Pharma prescribing pills like candy, growing economic inequality and decreasing social/economic mobility resulting in young people feeling hopeless/anger, etc. Gun control does nothing to address these underlying issues.

    People will counter that other countries have the same issues, the only difference is easy access to guns. I would counter that school shootings/stabbings and mass shootings happen elsewhere, just to a lesser degree (see: Denmark mall shooting this week, Sweden school stabbing in May, etc.), and that the US is unique amongst developed countries in reporting declining life expectancy due to diseases of despair, opioid/obesity epidemics, etc. I suspect the economic, societal, psychological, and spiritual factors that contribute to the uniquely American rise in deaths of despair overlap with the factors that contribute to American mass shootings.
    I think someone watched Tucker Carlson last night


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    Would have imagined mankini is a Moon parody.

  17. #8937
    Guys, Denmark has had as many mass shootings in 10 years as the USA had on July 4th. Those numbers are basically the same on the temporal scale of the universe so there is no point is trying to control guns.
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  18. #8938
    Quote Originally Posted by birdman View Post
    Guys, Denmark has had as many mass shootings in 10 years as the USA had on July 4th. Those numbers are basically the same on the temporal scale of the universe so there is no point is trying to control guns.
    But how many knifings, smart guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2mankini View Post
    I understand the calls for gun control, especially after horrific shootings like Uvalde when emotions are running high. I think it is absurd that it's easier to get a gun than a driver's license so common sense laws like an extensive training requirement and background checks would be welcome.

    However, consider the following:

    1. More people are killed by stabbing than by shooting.
    2. More mass shootings (4 or more people are killed) are carried out with handguns than assault rifles.
    3. School shootings are a fairly recent phenomenon.

    Given the above, I think most of the legislative proposals are missing the point. When a killer reaches the point where they want to kill innocent children, it's too late.

    The question becomes: what is unique about American society that produces this homicidal pathology with increasingly frequency in its young men?

    I would propose the following in no particular order: the disintegration of the nuclear family (no male role models), societal atomization, glorification of sex and violence, gun culture, Big Pharma prescribing pills like candy, growing economic inequality and decreasing social/economic mobility resulting in young people feeling hopeless/anger, etc. Gun control does nothing to address these underlying issues.

    People will counter that other countries have the same issues, the only difference is easy access to guns. I would counter that school shootings/stabbings and mass shootings happen elsewhere, just to a lesser degree (see: Denmark mall shooting this week, Sweden school stabbing in May, etc.), and that the US is unique amongst developed countries in reporting declining life expectancy due to diseases of despair, opioid/obesity epidemics, etc. I suspect the economic, societal, psychological, and spiritual factors that contribute to the uniquely American rise in deaths of despair overlap with the factors that contribute to American mass shootings.
    man fuck you

  20. #8940
    Quote Originally Posted by wakelaw13 View Post
    In response to Section 2, we can walk and chew gum: common sense gun control is absolutely necessary and while it will not eliminate gun violence it will lower it; the psychology and root causes of this horrific type of crime need to be addressed. There is something different about our society.
    Yes, it's the absolutely massive number of guns. Otherwise, US citizens are just like people in other developed countries.

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