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    http://projects.newsobserver.com/und...en_eligibility

    A new House bill would limit eligibility for the state's pre-kindergarten program so for a child to get in next year, families couldn't make more than half what the do now.
    The bill would reduce income eligibility from about 200 percent of the federal poverty level to 100 percent. If the income limit was in place this year, a family of three could not make more than than $19,530 a year to have a four-year-old qualify for N.C. Pre-K. Some of the other ways to qualify, such as having developmental needs or being a child in a military family, remain in the bill, although a child with limited English proficiency would no longer meet the guidelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeachBumDeac View Post
    http://projects.newsobserver.com/und...en_eligibility

    A new House bill would limit eligibility for the state's pre-kindergarten program so for a child to get in next year, families couldn't make more than half what the do now.
    The bill would reduce income eligibility from about 200 percent of the federal poverty level to 100 percent. If the income limit was in place this year, a family of three could not make more than than $19,530 a year to have a four-year-old qualify for N.C. Pre-K. Some of the other ways to qualify, such as having developmental needs or being a child in a military family, remain in the bill, although a child with limited English proficiency would no longer meet the guidelines.

    This one is a bit misleading. Overall there will be more slots available for "at risk" children to get into the Pre-K programs, and overall funding for Pre-K programs is going to go up. What is being changed is the definition of at risk from 200% of the poverty level to 100% of the poverty level in an attempt to give poorer kids first dibs on the program.

    That doesn't mean those kids who's families make 200% of the poverty level don't deserve assistance. It's a sad reality that we can't afford to help every at risk child, so under that constraint I think they need to do what they can to ensure that the poorest kids get in ahead of the ones who are slightly less poor.

    Personally, I think we should fund Pre-K programs so that every At Risk child gets in, but where do you draw the line for at risk? It was 200% of the poverty level and now it will be 100%. Arbitrary numbers in both cases.

  3. #183
    This just encourages people not to work. Eliminating the ESL component is dumb.

  4. #184
    http://www.wral.com/bill-would-provi...tion/12342960/

    $90 million voucher program for kids to attend private schools

  5. #185
    "VOTING INFO: A group advocating for requiring a photo ID to vote says it may have presented some bad information during a House Elections Committee last week.

    Organizers of the Voter Integrity Project handed out scripts to volunteers during last week's public hearing. Those scripts cited specific instances and individuals the group said could have been involved in fraudulent votes. Specifically, the group claimed to have found non-citizens voters.

    But late on Friday, group director Jay DeLancy posted to the group's website saying that some of that information "may be inaccurate" and promising to publish a "a full report after completing the audit. While we regret this human error and apologize for any embarrassment it may have caused to the presenters and to election officials, we caution the public against losing sight of the undeniable fact that North Carolina’s voter rolls are so corrupted that, without an effective voter ID law, it will be impossible to know who is really voting."

    Such cases are hard, if not difficult to find, although advocates on the other side of the issue say it has little to do with corrupt voter roles than it does with in-person voter fraud being rare. Last year, VIP identified some voters they said were dead but who were really still alive."

    http://www.wral.com/today-nccapitol-...ture/12340252/

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    Quote Originally Posted by WFFaithful View Post
    http://www.wral.com/bill-would-provi...tion/12342960/

    $90 million voucher program for kids to attend private schools
    And private school tuitions will go up accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeachBumDeac View Post
    Bill filed to allow gifts from lobbyists again

    http://www.wral.com/bill-filed-to-al...gain/12323945/

    Brawley said via email that required ethics classes on gifts and disclosure requirements "are useless for anyone without internal ethics anyway."

    "They only tell you the law. They do not guarantee integrity," he said. "What makes you think a person without ethics is going to obey a law anyway?"
    Funny that Brawley would say that when he has an ethics complaint filed against him as a Realtor.

  8. #188
    Now they want to raise taxes. In a very selective manner: Ill-conceived legislation would penalize young voters


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    Young voters, especially college-aged students, have been trending Democratic in recent elections. Often rallied by campus get-out-the-vote efforts, students can be a significant factor in college-town elections.

    So Sens. Bill Cook, Ron Rabin and Norman Sanderson have sponsored tax increase legislation that would target the families of such students. If a student were to register to vote in a district other than that of his or her parents, those parents would lose their childís $2,000 tax exemption on their state income tax returns.
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    So this is the constituency our dear leaders are representing? Taxes bad. Government bad.

    [Conservative speakers attack income [and property] taxes, health care-reform at rally]

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConnorEl View Post
    Now they want to raise taxes. In a very selective manner: Ill-conceived legislation would penalize young voters


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    Young voters, especially college-aged students, have been trending Democratic in recent elections. Often rallied by campus get-out-the-vote efforts, students can be a significant factor in college-town elections.

    So Sens. Bill Cook, Ron Rabin and Norman Sanderson have sponsored tax increase legislation that would target the families of such students. If a student were to register to vote in a district other than that of his or her parents, those parents would lose their child’s $2,000 tax exemption on their state income tax returns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConnorEl View Post
    Now they want to raise taxes. In a very selective manner: Ill-conceived legislation would penalize young voters


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    Young voters, especially college-aged students, have been trending Democratic in recent elections. Often rallied by campus get-out-the-vote efforts, students can be a significant factor in college-town elections.

    So Sens. Bill Cook, Ron Rabin and Norman Sanderson have sponsored tax increase legislation that would target the families of such students. If a student were to register to vote in a district other than that of his or her parents, those parents would lose their child’s $2,000 tax exemption on their state income tax returns.
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    Exactly how would they enforce that for the thousands of students at Duke, Wake, UNC and other schools who come from out of state.

    I'd love to see one of those NC yokels calling Chris Christie and telling him he has to raise taxes on the parents of a kid from NJ going to Duke.

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    Exactly how would they enforce that for the thousands of students at Duke, Wake, UNC and other schools who come from out of state.

    I'd love to see one of those NC yokels calling Chris Christie and telling him he has to raise taxes on the parents of a kid from NJ going to Duke.
    You are reaching here RJ. This is clearly a stupid bill, but they are not attempting to legislate to other states, the bill is about NC resident households losing the child $2,000 tax exemption. Not out of state kids. The bill is more focused on the effects of student voting in smaller more rural NC counties and cities such as Boone/Watagua, Greenville/Pitt and Cullowhee/Jackson which have mainly in state students. Chapel Hill/Orange, Durham, and Winston-Salem/Forsyth are less impacted because of bigger existing voter bases and thse areas already are left leaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olddke View Post
    You are reaching here RJ. This is clearly a stupid bill, but they are not attempting to legislate to other states, the bill is about NC resident households losing the child $2,000 tax exemption. Not out of state kids. The bill is more focused on the effects of student voting in smaller more rural NC counties and cities such as Boone/Watagua, Greenville/Pitt and Cullowhee/Jackson which have mainly in state students. Chapel Hill/Orange, Durham, and Winston-Salem/Forsyth are less impacted because of bigger existing voter bases and thse areas already are left leaning.
    All three of which would be a fraction of the size and have a fraction of the tax base without the colleges located there. Sure, kids, we'll take your money, but don't you be votin' around these parts.

  14. #194
    The NC government offered so many incentives to MetLife that they probably can't offer incentives to anyone else this fiscal year.

    http://www.wral.com/nc-official-metl...hers/12346393/

  15. #195
    http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/04/...ate-class.html

    Eliminate class size limits. Posted by DeaconHawk on the other thread.

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    Class size limits are a canard. It takes away flexibility.

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    http://www.journalnow.com/news/state...a4bcf6878.html

    RALEIGH -- The proposed new voter photo ID law could cost North Carolina as much as $3.6 million to implement – the price of providing free photos to those without driver’s licenses, and voter education efforts, state officials said.


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    MetLife relocation is causing a housing shortage on the south side of Charlotte. Prices are going up quickly. Days On Market are wayyy down. Down to zero or one in some cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeacHawk View Post
    http://www.journalnow.com/news/state...a4bcf6878.html

    RALEIGH -- The proposed new voter photo ID law could cost North Carolina as much as $3.6 million to implement – the price of providing free photos to those without driver’s licenses, and voter education efforts, state officials said.

    We all know government contracts come in as projected.

    Also add new people each year and the cost of renewals.

    Yep it's better to spend millions to solve a problem that doesn't exist rather for police or teachers.

    Republicans are really fiscally responsible.

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    I was told last nite by a Dem in the legislature that voter ID is gonna happen. Was also told that the issue fights are not really a Dem vs Repub thing as its commonly commented; its a urban vs rural conflict that crosses party lines

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