2&2 Slider To Leyritz
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Common sense.
Ongoing NC GOP debacle thread
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Common sense.
myDeaconmyhand
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Your common sense isn't going to make up for the hour or two of pay those voters lose. Of course everyone in the entire country can try and vote on their lunch break, that will certainly work out fine.
2&2 Slider To Leyritz
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Sure, because the hours of paperwork that I have to deal with to hire and fire someone, plus the hit to my unemployment "insurance" rating, is certainly worth firing someone for missing a few hours for something that I will also be slayed over in the press. That sounds like a great move for me. Similar to RJ's claims that there is no voter fraud, how many instances do we have on record of people getting fired for voting?
Deacon923
Scooter Banks
When you work a shift job, you work your shift unless you request and are granted time off. Have you ever worked a shift job, 2&2? Employers are not required to grant time off to vote by any federal law, nor any North Carolina state law (can't speak to other states). If you're scheduled to work 9-5 on Tuesday, you work 9-5 on Tuesday or you lose your job. It's that simple.
DeaconSig
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I'll take "grasping at straws to defend an ignorant statement" for $500, Alex.
Deadbolt
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Please tell me 2&2 is just trolling at this point.
dmcheatw
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even if there is a state law, imagine telling your boss your going to go fulfill your civic duty even after he has indicated he would appreciate it if you worked your scheduled hours... i don't see how that could go over well.
Deacfreak07
Ain't played nobody, PAWL!
Meh
DeacHawk
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Has to be trolling. There's no way someone with a Wake education like 2&2 would believe the Mayor of Charlotte had any sway or influence on the 2011 Mecklenburg County Revaluation, seeing as how it was done by the Tax Office, a County Department with no affiliation with the City of Charlotte.
Deadbolt
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Woah now, RJ...I never said I had a high opinion of 2&2 (politically speaking...IRL he might be a pretty nice guy).
DeaconSig
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Noted liberal Ann Goodnight (wife of SAS Institute owner and richest man in NC Jim Goodnight) makes her feelings known about this shit-show of a legislature.
http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/07/29/3067671/ann-goodnight-massive-mistake.html
http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/07/29/3067671/ann-goodnight-massive-mistake.html
ConnorEl
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Chris Fitzsimon: The fear of the truth on the Right
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There are two things that the folks running the General Assembly and the moneyed interests behind them are petrified that people in North Carolina will realize about this legislative session.
No, it’s not the unprecedented assaults on voting and women’s reproductive rights. People already understand those regressive and troubling decisions.
After all, there are not many ways to spin the fact that lawmakers made it harder for people who disagree with them to vote and that they put new harsh restrictions on access to abortion services—no matter how intensely Governor Pat McCrory claims otherwise to try to wiggle out of a clear and concise campaign promise. He straightforwardly broke the promise when he signed the abortion bill this week.
Lawmakers are most afraid that voters will understand that they made another round of deep cuts to education and they used the money to give big tax cuts to millionaires and corporations. And they did it even though most respected economists told them the tax cuts would not create jobs and spur new economic development, which legislative leaders continue to claim every day.
Let’s start with education. Legislative leaders and the think tanks on the Right are flailing to defend the education budget as criticism of the cuts continues to grow.
The budget slashes funding for more than 5,000 teaching positions and 4,500 teacher assistants. Teachers will no longer receive additional pay for earning a master’s degree.
Funding is cut for instructional support personnel, school buses, limited English proficiency students, and a host of other programs.
The bottom line is that lawmakers made deep cuts to public schools and higher education this year at the same time they were doling out tax cuts to millionaires. Overall education spending falls $481 million short over the next two years of what it would take to keep services at the same level as 2012-2013.
It’s that number that drives the Right crazy as columnists and pundits and legislative leaders have been screeching that education was not cut at all, that this year’s budget actually spends more than last year.
That’s only true if you present the numbers disingenuously. Every year before the budget debate begins, the Office of State Budget and Management calculates something called the base budget. They come up with that number by taking the total money spent last year and then adding inflationary increases, increased enrollment and other expenses that increase year to year.
The 2013-2014 base budget developed by OSBM under the direction of State Budget Director Art Pope was 11.731 billion for education at all levels, public schools, community college and the university system.
The total education budget approved by the General Assembly and signed by Governor McCrory was 11.472 billion—a $259 million cut. The budget for the second year cuts another 221.9 million from the base budget, for a total of $480 million slashed from what’s needed to keep education spending at the same level.
If you don’t adjust for inflation and enrollment, etc. you could argue that more is spent in real dollars, but that means less services, less spending per pupil, fewer teachers, fewer teacher assistants, larger classes—in other words BUDGET CUTS.
Schools have fewer resources with which to educate students thanks to the budget passed by the General Assembly and signed by Governor McCrory. That is simply beyond dispute.
Then there is the tax cut where the spinning from the Right is also out of control. Governor McCrory and many conservative pundits have claimed that everyone will pay less in taxes under the tax cut plan passed this year.
That’s false even when only using the tax scenarios provided by the Fiscal Research Division of the General Assembly that Republicans always cite to explain their plan.
In one example, a couple with two children that earns $64,000 a year will pay $2,700 more. The claims by McCrory and anyone else that all taxpayers will receive a break from the final tax plan are blatantly false.
Some right-wing pundits backed off that earlier claim and now say instead that most people will pay less under the new tax plan. But that is false too. The scenarios only apply to individual taxpayers that have specific and unique financial characteristics.
An analysis of the tax plan using a comprehensive and widely accepted economic incidence model shows that roughly 80 percent of people will pay more under the plan while millionaires will pay $10,000 less.
And finally, there’s the most important claim of all by the Right, that cutting taxes on corporations and the wealthy will boost economic development and spur job creation which will benefit us all. That’s their fallback answer to everything, that the economy will improve and that helps everybody.
It’s what they based their entire budget and tax plan on, the guarantee that lower taxes will create jobs.
But that’s simply not true either. Four senior economists told the Senate Finance Committee that there is no consensus that cutting taxes will create jobs. One of them, Dr. Mike Walden at N.C. State and an adjunct scholar at the John Locke Foundation, went a step further recently, telling the News & Observer, “So will the cut in state taxes set off an economic boom in North Carolina? I would say based on the literature that I have looked at, which is extensive, no.”
No, cutting taxes on millionaires and corporations (while making most families pay more) will not create jobs. But they did it anyway. And yes, cutting teachers, teacher assistants and other education funding will hurt schools and students. But they did that anyway too.
Both moves are not only bad policy, they are extremely unpopular with the voters. That’s why there is such uproar on the Right these days. They are terrified that people are learning the truth about what really happened on Jones Street this summer.
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There are two things that the folks running the General Assembly and the moneyed interests behind them are petrified that people in North Carolina will realize about this legislative session.
No, it’s not the unprecedented assaults on voting and women’s reproductive rights. People already understand those regressive and troubling decisions.
After all, there are not many ways to spin the fact that lawmakers made it harder for people who disagree with them to vote and that they put new harsh restrictions on access to abortion services—no matter how intensely Governor Pat McCrory claims otherwise to try to wiggle out of a clear and concise campaign promise. He straightforwardly broke the promise when he signed the abortion bill this week.
Lawmakers are most afraid that voters will understand that they made another round of deep cuts to education and they used the money to give big tax cuts to millionaires and corporations. And they did it even though most respected economists told them the tax cuts would not create jobs and spur new economic development, which legislative leaders continue to claim every day.
Let’s start with education. Legislative leaders and the think tanks on the Right are flailing to defend the education budget as criticism of the cuts continues to grow.
The budget slashes funding for more than 5,000 teaching positions and 4,500 teacher assistants. Teachers will no longer receive additional pay for earning a master’s degree.
Funding is cut for instructional support personnel, school buses, limited English proficiency students, and a host of other programs.
The bottom line is that lawmakers made deep cuts to public schools and higher education this year at the same time they were doling out tax cuts to millionaires. Overall education spending falls $481 million short over the next two years of what it would take to keep services at the same level as 2012-2013.
It’s that number that drives the Right crazy as columnists and pundits and legislative leaders have been screeching that education was not cut at all, that this year’s budget actually spends more than last year.
That’s only true if you present the numbers disingenuously. Every year before the budget debate begins, the Office of State Budget and Management calculates something called the base budget. They come up with that number by taking the total money spent last year and then adding inflationary increases, increased enrollment and other expenses that increase year to year.
The 2013-2014 base budget developed by OSBM under the direction of State Budget Director Art Pope was 11.731 billion for education at all levels, public schools, community college and the university system.
The total education budget approved by the General Assembly and signed by Governor McCrory was 11.472 billion—a $259 million cut. The budget for the second year cuts another 221.9 million from the base budget, for a total of $480 million slashed from what’s needed to keep education spending at the same level.
If you don’t adjust for inflation and enrollment, etc. you could argue that more is spent in real dollars, but that means less services, less spending per pupil, fewer teachers, fewer teacher assistants, larger classes—in other words BUDGET CUTS.
Schools have fewer resources with which to educate students thanks to the budget passed by the General Assembly and signed by Governor McCrory. That is simply beyond dispute.
Then there is the tax cut where the spinning from the Right is also out of control. Governor McCrory and many conservative pundits have claimed that everyone will pay less in taxes under the tax cut plan passed this year.
That’s false even when only using the tax scenarios provided by the Fiscal Research Division of the General Assembly that Republicans always cite to explain their plan.
In one example, a couple with two children that earns $64,000 a year will pay $2,700 more. The claims by McCrory and anyone else that all taxpayers will receive a break from the final tax plan are blatantly false.
Some right-wing pundits backed off that earlier claim and now say instead that most people will pay less under the new tax plan. But that is false too. The scenarios only apply to individual taxpayers that have specific and unique financial characteristics.
An analysis of the tax plan using a comprehensive and widely accepted economic incidence model shows that roughly 80 percent of people will pay more under the plan while millionaires will pay $10,000 less.
And finally, there’s the most important claim of all by the Right, that cutting taxes on corporations and the wealthy will boost economic development and spur job creation which will benefit us all. That’s their fallback answer to everything, that the economy will improve and that helps everybody.
It’s what they based their entire budget and tax plan on, the guarantee that lower taxes will create jobs.
But that’s simply not true either. Four senior economists told the Senate Finance Committee that there is no consensus that cutting taxes will create jobs. One of them, Dr. Mike Walden at N.C. State and an adjunct scholar at the John Locke Foundation, went a step further recently, telling the News & Observer, “So will the cut in state taxes set off an economic boom in North Carolina? I would say based on the literature that I have looked at, which is extensive, no.”
No, cutting taxes on millionaires and corporations (while making most families pay more) will not create jobs. But they did it anyway. And yes, cutting teachers, teacher assistants and other education funding will hurt schools and students. But they did that anyway too.
Both moves are not only bad policy, they are extremely unpopular with the voters. That’s why there is such uproar on the Right these days. They are terrified that people are learning the truth about what really happened on Jones Street this summer.
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ConnorEl
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More from Fitzsimon: The 2013 General Assembly’s shameful numbers
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70,000—number of long term unemployed workers in North Carolina who lost federal emergency unemployment benefits June 30 because of the effective date of the changes the General Assembly made to state unemployment system (The Unemployment Insurance Cliff: A Steep Fall for Families, the Economy, N.C. Budget & Tax Center, June 2013)
100,000—number of additional long term unemployed workers who will lose federal emergency unemployment benefits before the end of the year because of the actions of the General Assembly (Ibid)
1.2 billion—amount in dollars of the estimated economic impact in North Carolina of the loss of federal emergency unemployment benefits as a result of the actions of the General Assembly (Ibid)
500,000—number of low-income adults denied health care coverage because of the decision made by McCrory and the General Assembly to refuse the expansion of Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act (“Updated: Wos Says Decision to Not Expand Medicaid Was Goodwin’s Call,” N.C. Health News, May 10, 2013)
907,000—number of low-wage workers in North Carolina who claimed the state Earned Income Tax Credit in 2011 (“North Carolina’s Earned Income Tax Credit: A Modest but Vital Boost to Low-Paid Workers across the State, N.C Budget & Tax Center, February 2013)
64,000—number of military families who claimed the state Earned Income Tax Credit in 2011 (Factsheet: 64,000 North Carolina Military Families Set to Lose EITC, Experience Tax Increase, N.C Budget & Tax Center)
0—-number of low-wage workers in North Carolina including those in military families who will receive the state EITC under the tax shift plan approved by the General Assembly and signed by Governor Pat McCrory (Ibid)
80—percent of taxpayers who will on average will receive a tax INCREASE under the tax changes made by the General Assembly in 2013 (“Preliminary Analysis of Joint Tax Plan: Still a big tax cut at the top,” Progressive Pulse, July 16, 2013)
10,000—amount in dollars of the tax CUT that millionaires will receive under the tax changes made by the General Assembly in 2013 (Ibid)
2,500—the number of reduction of slots in NC PreK for at-risk four year olds in 2013-2104 budget approved by the General Assembly and signed by Governor Pat McCrory (Overview: Final budget deal falls short, puts North Carolina on a path to mediocrity, Progressive Pulse, July 22, 2013)
5,200—the number of teaching positions that will be lost as a result of the 2013-2015 budget approved by the General Assembly and signed by Governor Pat McCrory (Summary of Special Provisions- Senate Bill 402, N.C. Department of Public Instruction)
4,580—number of teacher assistants positions cut in the2013-2015 budget approved by the General Assembly and signed by Governor Pat McCrory (Ibid)
0—amount in dollars for salary increases for teachers in North Carolina in the budget for the 2013-2014 school year (Ibid)
15—number of years it takes a North Carolina public school teacher with a bachelor’s degree to earn $40,000 (Presentation on North Carolina Teacher Salaries; State Board of Education, March 2013)
50—rank of North Carolina in average teacher salary increase over the past 10 years (Ibid)
10 million—amount in dollars of the cost in 2013-2014 of the voucher scheme included in the final budget that for the first time will allow taxpayer dollars to be used to pay for tuition at unaccountable private and religious schools (Vouchers gain ground, public education loses in final budget, N.C. Policy Watch, July 25, 2013)
15—number of the state’s 16 abortion clinics that could be forced to close under sweeping anti-choice bill approved by the General Assembly and waiting for Governor Pat McCrory’s signature or veto (“Abortion regulations heading to McCrory, WRAL-TV, July 25, 2013)
318,000—number of registered voters in North Carolina who do not have a NC driver’s license or state identity card and will be affected by the voter suppression legislation passed by the General Assembly (“County-by-County Data Reveal Dramatic Impact of Proposed Election Changes on Voters,” Democracy North Carolina, July 22, 2013)
22—percentage of currently active North Carolina voters who are African-American (“Who Doesn’t Have a Photo ID?” Democracy North Carolina)
32—percentage of active voters without a valid NC photo ID who are African-American (Ibid)
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70,000—number of long term unemployed workers in North Carolina who lost federal emergency unemployment benefits June 30 because of the effective date of the changes the General Assembly made to state unemployment system (The Unemployment Insurance Cliff: A Steep Fall for Families, the Economy, N.C. Budget & Tax Center, June 2013)
100,000—number of additional long term unemployed workers who will lose federal emergency unemployment benefits before the end of the year because of the actions of the General Assembly (Ibid)
1.2 billion—amount in dollars of the estimated economic impact in North Carolina of the loss of federal emergency unemployment benefits as a result of the actions of the General Assembly (Ibid)
500,000—number of low-income adults denied health care coverage because of the decision made by McCrory and the General Assembly to refuse the expansion of Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act (“Updated: Wos Says Decision to Not Expand Medicaid Was Goodwin’s Call,” N.C. Health News, May 10, 2013)
907,000—number of low-wage workers in North Carolina who claimed the state Earned Income Tax Credit in 2011 (“North Carolina’s Earned Income Tax Credit: A Modest but Vital Boost to Low-Paid Workers across the State, N.C Budget & Tax Center, February 2013)
64,000—number of military families who claimed the state Earned Income Tax Credit in 2011 (Factsheet: 64,000 North Carolina Military Families Set to Lose EITC, Experience Tax Increase, N.C Budget & Tax Center)
0—-number of low-wage workers in North Carolina including those in military families who will receive the state EITC under the tax shift plan approved by the General Assembly and signed by Governor Pat McCrory (Ibid)
80—percent of taxpayers who will on average will receive a tax INCREASE under the tax changes made by the General Assembly in 2013 (“Preliminary Analysis of Joint Tax Plan: Still a big tax cut at the top,” Progressive Pulse, July 16, 2013)
10,000—amount in dollars of the tax CUT that millionaires will receive under the tax changes made by the General Assembly in 2013 (Ibid)
2,500—the number of reduction of slots in NC PreK for at-risk four year olds in 2013-2104 budget approved by the General Assembly and signed by Governor Pat McCrory (Overview: Final budget deal falls short, puts North Carolina on a path to mediocrity, Progressive Pulse, July 22, 2013)
5,200—the number of teaching positions that will be lost as a result of the 2013-2015 budget approved by the General Assembly and signed by Governor Pat McCrory (Summary of Special Provisions- Senate Bill 402, N.C. Department of Public Instruction)
4,580—number of teacher assistants positions cut in the2013-2015 budget approved by the General Assembly and signed by Governor Pat McCrory (Ibid)
0—amount in dollars for salary increases for teachers in North Carolina in the budget for the 2013-2014 school year (Ibid)
15—number of years it takes a North Carolina public school teacher with a bachelor’s degree to earn $40,000 (Presentation on North Carolina Teacher Salaries; State Board of Education, March 2013)
50—rank of North Carolina in average teacher salary increase over the past 10 years (Ibid)
10 million—amount in dollars of the cost in 2013-2014 of the voucher scheme included in the final budget that for the first time will allow taxpayer dollars to be used to pay for tuition at unaccountable private and religious schools (Vouchers gain ground, public education loses in final budget, N.C. Policy Watch, July 25, 2013)
15—number of the state’s 16 abortion clinics that could be forced to close under sweeping anti-choice bill approved by the General Assembly and waiting for Governor Pat McCrory’s signature or veto (“Abortion regulations heading to McCrory, WRAL-TV, July 25, 2013)
318,000—number of registered voters in North Carolina who do not have a NC driver’s license or state identity card and will be affected by the voter suppression legislation passed by the General Assembly (“County-by-County Data Reveal Dramatic Impact of Proposed Election Changes on Voters,” Democracy North Carolina, July 22, 2013)
22—percentage of currently active North Carolina voters who are African-American (“Who Doesn’t Have a Photo ID?” Democracy North Carolina)
32—percentage of active voters without a valid NC photo ID who are African-American (Ibid)
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ConnorEl
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No problem. The GA is loosening gun laws so we're all going to be OK.
DeacHawk
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nothing new, just a good summary of the tax reform/cut
http://www.ncacpa.org/Libraries/News_Articles/Summary_of_2013_Tax_Plan_Components.sflb.ashx
http://www.ncacpa.org/Libraries/News_Articles/Summary_of_2013_Tax_Plan_Components.sflb.ashx
bmoneydeac
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http://www.sanfordherald.com/news/x807783133/Former-CCCC-trustees-sue-over-removal-from-board
This clown representing Lee Co is such a disgrace. He's just so blatantly drunk with power.
This clown representing Lee Co is such a disgrace. He's just so blatantly drunk with power.
Deadbolt
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Wait until April when 80% of people see their tax bill go up...then we'll see how things look in November. Hell, Democrats might get control back for another 100 years.
myDeaconmyhand
First man to get a team of horses up Bear Mountain
The Republicans in this state are going fucking crazy
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