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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Marquee Moon View Post
    Too lazy to check if already posted.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobile...n_3003401.html
    Quote Originally Posted by WFFaithful View Post
    :jhmdbatsignal:
    Once again, you all seem to be confused. Fortunately for you all, I'm standing by and able to assist.

    [sarcasm font]

    To the extent that this exercise of long-vested, pre-Constitutional state sovereignty has been mischaracterized by the lamestream media as a repeal of the Establishment Clause, let me hasten to assure you that such is not the case. The attempt at (gasp!) self-governance without Washington's consent is nothing other than the selective nonenforcement of laws with which the current administration is not particularly fond. While conservatives are new to this concept/tactic, they have a long and establish track record to immulate of the Democrat Party disregarding inconvenient laws whilst in power with respect to so-called laws against illegal immigration and marijuana use and distribution. Don't think of North Carolina as having an "established religion"; you should just view it as a "sancutary city-State" truly worthy of the name. We won't have an "established religion"; it will merely be an "undocumented official belief system." [/sarcasm font] Happy to help, anytime you guys need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhmd2000 View Post
    If that's your defintion of racially neutral policies, you must not think very much of minorities.
    What does this mean?

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    What does this mean?
    I told you that I thought it was a good idea to adopt racially-neutral policies and stop segmenting the population by their skin color as a matter of official policy (yes, apparently I have to argue this in 2013). You replied that [it] "Seems like it's just a way to make sure whites can organize and get their voices heard while minorities sit in the back."

    I apparently have more optimism than you do that minorities are just as capable of organizing as any other group, and don't need the government to maintain offices to do it for them.

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by jhmd2000 View Post
    I told you that I thought it was a good idea to adopt racially-neutral policies and stop segmenting the population by their skin color as a matter of official policy (yes, apparently I have to argue this in 2013). You replied that [it] "Seems like it's just a way to make sure whites can organize and get their voices heard while minorities sit in the back."

    I apparently have more optimism than you do that minorities are just as capable of organizing as any other group, and don't need the government to maintain offices to do it for them.
    this type of thinking leads to these things:
    "white student union"
    "why does Wake Forest need a "women's center""?

    it's just a bunch of WASP male butt hurt
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    Draxx them sklounst

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    When were race neutral policies first instituted?

  6. #146
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    When were race neutral policies first instituted?
    Shortly after people realized that they were morally wrong, no matter how much you tried to rationalize them.

  7. #147
    More reforms for you guys to try to obfuscate:

    http://governor.nc.gov/newsroom/pres...north-carolina

  8. #148
    Medicaid reform is badly needed so I'm interested to see where this goes. At first read this press release seems to beg a huge question: what is a "Comprehensive Care Entity" going to be? A new government agency? A for profit entity like an HMO? A non-profit but non-governmental? What will they cost? Who will work there? From whence the money to create and fund these things? Whatever these things are they seem to be the centerpiece of the plan but there is almost no information about them in the presser, other than that they are supposedly going to compete with each other (which suggest for profit status) and coordinate care.

    A lot of the ideas in the presser (like breaking down silos between mental and physical health - that's a big deal) are laudable but I have to reserve judgment until I know more about these CCEs.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by jhmd2000 View Post
    Of course it is. Everyone knows that any knucklehead can propose whatever s/he thinks the base wants to hear. Let's not pretend for a second it has a chance of passing...in fact, let's apply a confidence test. If it passes and is signed into law (as the Puff Host piece dishonestly implied was imminent), I will buy an ad in the GNR advocating "#PatOut." If by the end of his first term, we haven't declared a religion, you can buy me a Cookout milkshake of my choosing. Deal?

    It sucks when idiots on the right give you guys a bright shiny object to chase instead of talking about the massive income tax overhaul (a debate you'd lose), long-overdue UNC-system budget reform (ditto) and Medicaid reform (needed, but probably more controversial). Believe me, nobody hates it more than me. I'd rather confine the debate to income tax reform and spending control.
    There are some really bad pols on the right. Pretty startling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhmd2000 View Post
    Shortly after people realized that they were morally wrong, no matter how much you tried to rationalize them.
    What is they?

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    [QUOTE
    It sucks when idiots on the right give you guys a bright shiny object to chase instead of talking about the massive income tax overhaul (a debate you'd lose), long-overdue UNC-system budget reform (ditto) and Medicaid reform (needed, but probably more controversial). Believe me, nobody hates it more than me. I'd rather confine the debate to income tax reform and spending control.
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    What sort of income tax overhaul is need in this state? It is very favorable to "job creators" already. Almost ridiculously so. And I'm fine with reform of the UNC-system. I got no dog in that fight.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by jhmd2000 View Post
    More reforms for you guys to try to obfuscate:

    http://governor.nc.gov/newsroom/pres...north-carolina
    Privatization of Medicare

  13. #153
    http://www.wral.com/senate-votes-to-...-act/12300868/

    The state Senate voted 33-14 Wednesday to repeal the state's historic Racial Justice Act and restart executions in North Carolina.

    The 2009 Racial Justice Act allowed death row inmates to appeal their sentences on the grounds of racial bias in the court system. If a judge agreed, the inmate's sentence could be commuted to life without the possibility of parole.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by jhmd2000 View Post
    I told you that I thought it was a good idea to adopt racially-neutral policies and stop segmenting the population by their skin color as a matter of official policy (yes, apparently I have to argue this in 2013). You replied that [it] "Seems like it's just a way to make sure whites can organize and get their voices heard while minorities sit in the back."

    I apparently have more optimism than you do that minorities are just as capable of organizing as any other group, and don't need the government to maintain offices to do it for them.
    I think it'd be great if people of every skin color had exactly the same opportunity to succeed as everybody else. If that were the case, then your "racially neutral" policies would be applicable. Since that's not the case yet, I'm fine with investing a small amount of money in helping people who DON'T have a helping hand from their ancestor's investments (or just their college educated parents), in order to help those people to be productive members of society.

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    If the world was what jhmd thinks, he wouldn't need optimism.

    There needs to be a government mandate to listen to people of color. Otherwise they wouldn't no matter how much organizing takes place.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by jhmd2000 View Post
    No kidding. Somehow denial has pushed AD through a portal into a bizarre shadow universe.
    Makes no sense. Denial?

    Cute imagery though.

  17. #157
    The hits keep on coming. State religion? Dumbest elected body in America.

    Yet some here will struggle mightily to argue otherwise, while dodging the insanity/inanity of the actual platform. I'll just watch.

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by ArlingtonDeac View Post
    The hits keep on coming. State religion? Dumbest elected body in America.

    Yet some here will struggle mightily to argue otherwise, while dodging the insanity/inanity of the actual platform. I'll just watch.
    I'll argue that while one of the dumbest, they're not THE dumbest. Alabama and their food ignorance bill comes to mind.

  19. #159
    Part of me hopes these fools are just trolling. I know they're not, but I can dream.

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by ArlingtonDeac View Post
    Makes no sense. Denial?

    Cute imagery though.
    We've had three Republican governors since reconstruction. This State's problems lay squarely at the feet of the Dems.

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