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Law School is a sham

This thread is just depressing.

What's going to happen in a few years when all of this comes crashing down? No doctors, too many lawyers and freaking debt everywhere. It's a s%$@ sandwich.
 
Unfortunately, the lawyers are part of why there are fewer doctors. It just doesn't make a sense to become a doctor these days when you're faced with huge malpractice claims after having to spend that much time to become a doctor.

My girlfriend and her friends have all thought about med school versus PA school and for them they all decided that PA school was the right choice. One of her friend's dads is undergoing cancer treatment and he tells his daughter all the time that she's making the right choice to become a PA. He is a doctor and when he looks back and thinks about what he has sacrificed in terms of time with his family to be a doctor it's not worth it.
 
TravelingDeacon said:
This thread is just depressing.

What's going to happen in a few years when all of this comes crashing down? No doctors, too many lawyers and freaking debt everywhere. It's a s%$@ sandwich.
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we should start slow equipping ourselves with robot body parts
 
A lawyer is a fantastic job if people respect you enough to pay you. If clients and potential clients do not respect you, you will always be another lawyer's bitch or you will be poor.

A lawyer with sense can get an effective paralegal to run an efficient traffic ticket practice while concentrating on estate planning, probate, and corporate work.

PM me a resume if any of you all are 2Ls looking for a summer job. We prefer someone whose family lives close to Charlotte. Our pship agreement prohibits us from hiring from Elon or any for profit schools. That shouldn't be an issue here.
 
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Rontrose Deacman said:
A lawyer is a fantastic job if people respect you enough to pay you. If clients and potential clients do not respect you, you will always be another lawyer's bitch or you will be poor.

A lawyer with sense can get an effective paralegal to run an efficient traffic ticket practice while concentrating on estate planning, probate, and corporate work.

PM me a resume if any of you all are 2Ls looking for a summer job. We prefer someone who's family lives close to Charlotte. Our pship agreement prohibits us from hiring from Elon or any for profit schools. That shouldn't be an issue here.
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hhahaha that's awesome
 
DeaconCav06 said:
Unfortunately, the lawyers are part of why there are fewer doctors. It just doesn't make a sense to become a doctor these days when you're faced with huge malpractice claims after having to spend that much time to become a doctor.

My girlfriend and her friends have all thought about med school versus PA school and for them they all decided that PA school was the right choice. One of her friend's dads is undergoing cancer treatment and he tells his daughter all the time that she's making the right choice to become a PA. He is a doctor and when he looks back and thinks about what he has sacrificed in terms of time with his family to be a doctor it's not worth it.
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How much of the benefit of malpractice reform actually goes to doctors versus the insurance companies?
 
DeaconCav06 said:
Unfortunately, the lawyers are part of why there are fewer doctors. It just doesn't make a sense to become a doctor these days when you're faced with huge malpractice claims after having to spend that much time to become a doctor.
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Come spend a day in our Emergency Room and you'll be amazed - every test/examination under the sun is ordered on our regular workups because our physicians are scared shitless about lawsuits. If they miss something (which might happen 0.1% of the time), they are fucked over with threats of lawsuits. My favorite are the Catscans that we do you've had a headache for one day? CT of the head - diarrhea since last night? CT of the abdomen. Joke.
 
WFdeacon04 said:
Come spend a day in our Emergency Room and you'll be amazed - every test/examination under the sun is ordered on our regular workups because our physicians are scared shitless about lawsuits. If they miss something (which might happen 0.1% of the time), they are fucked over with threats of lawsuits. My favorite are the Catscans that we do you've had a headache for one day? CT of the head - diarrhea since last night? CT of the abdomen. Joke.
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We've all seen it yet people act like defensive medicine doesn't cost patients and insurance companies a lot of money. I freely admit that probably daily but at least a few times a week I order a radiology test when my clinical suspicion is extremely low. But if it's that rare bird and as a specialist I miss it, might as well open my checkbook. Even if I am following the standard of care the lawsuit process is so disruptive to life that you might wish you had done something wrong so you could just settle. I have heard absolute horror stories about people being sued for malpractice. In a small practice a doctor can't just miss a ton of work for a trial. Uggh that entire thing just sucks. People should be entitled to what they deserve if wrongly treated, but we've gone too far.
 
DeaconCav06 said:
Unfortunately, medium percentage of shitty lawyers and equally shitty but smaller percentage of doctors are part of why there are fewer doctors. It just doesn't make a sense to become a doctor these days when you're faced with huge malpractice claims after having to spend that much time to become a doctor.
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I think it's a two way street, albeit one street is much, much more narrow.
 
Marquee Moon said:
fuck dude, most firm lawyers dont take vacations

let the wife and kids go down to disney then fly down to meet them for 4 days mid week

meh
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This is only true if you are terrible about planning your time, or cannot handle things effectively while out of the office. I have worked at one of the largest firms in NC, and now have my own small firm and take at least two week long vacations with my family every year.
 
BacktoBack said:
We've all seen it yet people act like defensive medicine doesn't cost patients and insurance companies a lot of money. I freely admit that probably daily but at least a few times a week I order a radiology test when my clinical suspicion is extremely low. But if it's that rare bird and as a specialist I miss it, might as well open my checkbook. Even if I am following the standard of care the lawsuit process is so disruptive to life that you might wish you had done something wrong so you could just settle. I have heard absolute horror stories about people being sued for malpractice. In a small practice a doctor can't just miss a ton of work for a trial. Uggh that entire thing just sucks. People should be entitled to what they deserve if wrongly treated, but we've gone too far.
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BacktoBack: where do you practice? I assume not NC. The tort reform lobby has won the medical malpractice fight in NC. Ridiculous pleading requirements, expert requirements, and limitations on damages, and the jury pool being poisoned with the idea that NC has a doctor shortage because of lawsuits, has causes many firms (including mine) to all but eliminate medical malpractice as a practice area. The number of medical malpratice lawsuits filed in NC (both per capita and absolute) has been on the fall, and the number of doctors per capita on the rise, for the better part of a decade. You will also note from the link that lawsuits almost always result in a defense verdict. http://ncaj.com/file_depot/0-10000000/0-10000/9208/folder/18824/2011MedMalReport.pdf
 
KitchinDeac said:
This is only true if you are terrible about planning your time, or cannot handle things effectively while out of the office. I have worked at one of the largest firms in NC, and now have my own small firm and take at least two week long vacations with my family every year.
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I was going to say, I'm just a lowly associate and we vaca a good bit.
 
Rontrose Deacman said:
A lawyer is a fantastic job if people respect you enough to pay you. If clients and potential clients do not respect you, you will always be another lawyer's bitch or you will be poor.

A lawyer with sense can get an effective paralegal to run an efficient traffic ticket practice while concentrating on estate planning, probate, and corporate work.

PM me a resume if any of you all are 2Ls looking for a summer job. We prefer someone whose family lives close to Charlotte. Our pship agreement prohibits us from hiring from Elon or any for profit schools. That shouldn't be an issue here.
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I've met some very good, young Elon lawyers. But to each their own. The bolded above is what always killed me in my job search - until I married a girl from NC, then it was no longer an issue.
 
Ball State Deac said:
I've met some very good, young Elon lawyers. But to each their own. The bolded above is what always killed me in my job search - until I married a girl from NC, then it was no longer an issue.
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As soon as I read that, my first though was of you and the lengths you went to try and show that you had no desire to go back to Indiana.
 
Wakelaw2006 said:
As soon as I read that, my first though was of you and the lengths you went to try and show that you had no desire to go back to Indiana.
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Man, it was totally insane the number of interviews I went on that had a zero percent chance of success. As soon as I started getting peppered about Indiana, I knew it was over. As I told them all then, my family would move to NC long before I'd move to IN. And sure enough, BSDMom is now a NC resident.
 
KitchinDeac said:
BacktoBack: where do you practice? I assume not NC. The tort reform lobby has won the medical malpractice fight in NC. Ridiculous pleading requirements, expert requirements, and limitations on damages, and the jury pool being poisoned with the idea that NC has a doctor shortage because of lawsuits, has causes many firms (including mine) to all but eliminate medical malpractice as a practice area. The number of medical malpratice lawsuits filed in NC (both per capita and absolute) has been on the fall, and the number of doctors per capita on the rise, for the better part of a decade. You will also note from the link that lawsuits almost always result in a defense verdict. http://ncaj.com/file_depot/0-10000000/0-10000/9208/folder/18824/2011MedMalReport.pdf
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This is 100% accurate where I practice, as well. You can count on one hand how many lawyers still do med mal. The insurance companies have undoubtedly won the tort reform battle. Yet, malpractice premiums continue to rise? I thought it was all the frivolous law suits that caused malpractice coverage to rise? Or, maybe it was all b.s. and a way for insurance companies to not pay on legit claims and continue to collect more premiums.

As for the ER doctors, where I live, claimants face an even tougher standard to prove malpractice than they would against a specialist. An ER doctor has to commit something greater than even gross negligence to be found liable.
 
Ball State Deac said:
Man, it was totally insane the number of interviews I went on that had a zero percent chance of success. As soon as I started getting peppered about Indiana, I knew it was over. As I told them all then, my family would move to NC long before I'd move to IN. And sure enough, BSDMom is now a NC resident.
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My wife faced a battle as well. She was engaged to me at the time, but is from Texas and went to Texas for undergrad and law school. The two battles we faced were 1) her being from out of state and 2) all of the UNC law grads equating the quality of UNC (ranked 38th) with Texas (ranked 15th).
 
Ball State Deac said:
Man, it was totally insane the number of interviews I went on that had a zero percent chance of success. As soon as I started getting peppered about Indiana, I knew it was over. As I told them all then, my family would move to NC long before I'd move to IN. And sure enough, BSDMom is now a NC resident.
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I went through the same exact thing. I think going to Wake undergrad and then sticking around down south for law school helped, but in every interview I still had to do the song and dance about not wanting to go back up north. After working in Charlotte this past summer it seemed to me that the entire damn city is full of transplants. Even the kids I knew at Wake who were from Charlotte their parents usually had moved there for work.
 
bojanglefunk said:
My wife faced a battle as well. She was engaged to me at the time, but is from Texas and went to Texas for undergrad and law school. The two battles we faced were 1) her being from out of state and 2) all of the UNC law grads equating the quality of UNC (ranked 38th) with Texas (ranked 15th).
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P4nthers11 said:
I went through the same exact thing. I think going to Wake undergrad and then sticking around down south for law school helped, but in every interview I still had to do the song and dance about not wanting to go back up north. After working in Charlotte this past summer it seemed to me that the entire damn city is full of transplants. Even the kids I knew at Wake who were from Charlotte their parents usually had moved there for work.
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It is truly incredible what we/she had to go through to land a gig. I had even clerked at the NC COA and was still getting hit with questions about Indiana. I wanted to scream: "HAVE YOU DUMB SONS OF BITCHES EVER BEEN THERE?!? I AIN'T GOING BACK!"
 
KitchinDeac said:
This is only true if you are terrible about planning your time, or cannot handle things effectively while out of the office. I have worked at one of the largest firms in NC, and now have my own small firm and take at least two week long vacations with my family every year.
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you missed my point
 
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