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When Did National Parks Become Important?

You don't think that being a governor and (in Romney's case) having decades of successful business experience would make them better qualified than a community organizer / junior senator who waffled on his votes? The proof is in the history. Following his election our federal government has imploded and become a useless laughingstock. Absent some sort of nuclear holocaust, is it even possible that it could have gone worse?

Cliff diving is fun! (Obama pushed me!)

Palin has a new book.

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You don't think that being a governor and (in Romney's case) having decades of successful business experience would make them better qualified than a community organizer / junior senator who waffled on his votes? The proof is in the history. Following his election our federal government has imploded and become a useless laughingstock. Absent some sort of nuclear holocaust, is it even possible that it could have gone worse?

the guy couldn't even manage a fucking campaign to beat said un-qualified organizer/jr senator
 
They required age, and in those days with shorter life expectancies people had a lot more experience at a younger age. Beyond that, I imagine they assumed that the populace would evaluate the experience of the candidates and then sink or swim as a result. Unfortunately, we are not guaranteed success and we sunk ourselves.

by the period you speak, life expectancy rates were not that much lower than they are today for someone in a middle class demographic if they survived infancy. so what you're saying is true but misleading. the notion that dying younger makes people get "more experience" at a younger age doesn't make sense on any level but i will say that since the invention of the internet those with access (especially since birth) are on the whole much better educated and somewhat smarter than prior generations.
 
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You don't think that being a governor and (in Romney's case) having decades of successful business experience would make them better qualified than a community organizer / junior senator who waffled on his votes? The proof is in the history. Following his election our federal government has imploded and become a useless laughingstock. Absent some sort of nuclear holocaust, is it even possible that it could have gone worse?

Obama's election imploded the federal government and is the equivalent of a nuclear holocaust? Strong work from an inexperienced/jr. senator/community organizer who managed to bring down 200 years of democracy and destroy civilization within 5 years.
 
by the period you speak, life expectancy rates were not that much lower than they are today for someone in a middle class demographic if they survived infancy. so what you're saying is true but misleading. the notion that dying younger makes people get "more experience" at a younger age doesn't make sense on any level but i will say that since the invention of the internet those with access (especially since birth) are on the whole much better educated and somewhat smarter than prior generations.

You don't think that someone who starts working and providing for themselves and their family at about age 16 has more life experience earlier than someone who lives on mommy and daddy's dime and doesn't enter the real world until they are 23?
 
Obama's election imploded the federal government and is the equivalent of a nuclear holocaust? Strong work from an inexperienced/jr. senator/community organizer who managed to bring down 200 years of democracy and destroy civilization within 5 years.

I know, quite a lesson in failure.
 
You don't think that someone who starts working and providing for themselves and their family at about age 16 has more life experience earlier than someone who lives on mommy and daddy's dime and doesn't enter the real world until they are 23?

Managing slaves is a good experience for running the country.
 
You don't think that someone who starts working and providing for themselves and their family at about age 16 has more life experience earlier than someone who lives on mommy and daddy's dime and doesn't enter the real world until they are 23?

did that actually happen? I think average age of marriage was still in the early to mid 20's back then, and people lived with their parents until they were married. Being an apprentice does not mean they were working and providing for themselves. They were learning a trade, just like being in high school or college nowadays.
 
You don't think that someone who starts working and providing for themselves and their family at about age 16 has more life experience earlier than someone who lives on mommy and daddy's dime and doesn't enter the real world until they are 23?

I'm not sure who these comparison groups are supposed to be. There are plenty of people nowadays who fit into either group.
 
i think 2&2 calls people who quit school to raise children at 16 nowadays welfare queens.
 
jhmd said they should be punished for conceiving a child when they can't support a family
 
So all someone has to do is mentioned the sainted MLK and that ends the discussion. King was a democratic socialist who believed, like Obama, in the beneficence of government when it was in the correct hands. If that is the road you want to go down, be my guest. Let's not forget that some of Obama's supporters said his experience as a community organizer gave him the executive skills needed to do the job to which he was aspiring. As for my being a moron, it takes one to know one.

I'll say it again. Political considerations played a major role in the shutdown of the national parks and. Does anyone here dispute that? Why did the Obama administration attempt to deny public access to Mount Vernon?
 
So all someone has to do is mentioned the sainted MLK and that ends the discussion. King was a democratic socialist who believed, like Obama, in the beneficence of government when it was in the correct hands. If that is the road you want to go down, be my guest. Let's not forget that some of Obama's supporters said his experience as a community organizer gave him the executive skills needed to do the job to which he was aspiring. As for my being a moron, it takes one to know one.

I'll say it again. Political considerations played a major role in the shutdown of the national parks and. Does anyone here dispute that? Why did the Obama administration attempt to deny public access to Mount Vernon?

This is groundbreaking news. Pulitzer prize worthy.
 
Obama did not decide which parks to shut down and how. This has been well established.
 
Usually there's much more to the story about the NPS shutdown than gets reported. The examples I gave earlier about contract language with "private" business concessions and vacation homes for instance. But the shutdown has also severely affected the normal chain of command. Many parks had their superintendent and the entire headquarters staff sent home. So most are being run by the park's head of law enforcement. Thrusting someone like that into the position of following the shutdown plan and having to make decisions when unforeseen problems arise increases the odds that mistakes can be made. Usually, it takes a few days to sort out as the problems then have to be relayed to NPS headquarters in Washington. I think shutting down the NPS owned parking lots at Mount Vernon probably fall into that category but I'm not on the ground there to say for sure.
 
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Usually there's much more to the story about the NPS shutdown than gets reported. The examples I gave earlier about contract language with "private" business concessions and vacation homes for instance. But the shutdown has also severely affected the normal chain of command. Many parks had their superintendent and the entire headquarters staff sent home. So most are being run by the park's head of law enforcement. Thrusting someone like that into the position of following the shutdown plan and having to make decisions when unforeseen problems arise increases the odds that mistakes can be made. Usually, it takes a few days to sort out as the problems then have to be relayed to NPS headquarters in Washington. I think shutting down the NPS owned parking lots at Mount Vernon probably fall into that category but I'm not on the ground there to say for sure.

Great post. Thanks WFR.
 
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