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Lectro was RIGHT--post1626--(climate related)

https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech...cc-scientist-blows-whistle-on-un-climate-lies

STOCKHOLM, Sweden — The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (UN IPCC) is misleading humanity about climate change and sea levels, a leading expert on sea levels who served on the UN IPCC told The New American. In fact, it is more likely that sea levels will decline, not rise, explained Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner, the retired head of the paleogeophysics and geodynamics at Stockholm University. A new solar-driven cooling period is not far off, he said. But when Mörner tried to warn the UN IPCC that it was publishing false information that would inevitably be discredited, they simply ignored him. And so, dismayed, he resigned in disgust and decided to blow the whistle.
Asked if coastal cities such as Miami would be flooding due to sea-level rise caused by alleged man-made global warming, Mörner was unequivocal: “Absolutely not.” “There is no rapid sea-level rise going on today, and there will not be,” he said, citing observable data. “On the contrary, if anything happens, the sea will go down a little.” The widely respected scientist, who has been tracking sea levels in various parts of the globe for some 50 years, blasted those who use incorrect “correction factors” in their data to make it appear that seas are rising worldwide. That is just wrong, he said.

Indeed, even speaking of something called “global sea level” is highly misleading, the expert explained. “It is different in different parts of the world,” Mörner said, noting that sea levels can rise in one part of the world and decline in another depending on a variety of factors. For instance, the interview took place right next to an 18th-century Baltic sea-level marker in Saltsjöbaden near Stockholm that showed the Baltic sea level at the time it was made. Because the ground is rising, the marking is now higher up from sea level than it was when it was made. Mörner has personally been measuring and tracking sea levels in equatorial regions of the world — Bangladesh, the Maldives, Southern India, New Caledonia, Fiji, and beyond.
Mörner's conclusion is that solar activity and its effects on the globe have been the “dominant factor” in what happens to both the climate and the seas. Meanwhile, the UN claims the current changes in climate and sea level are attributable to human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2). Man’s emissions of this essential gas, required by plants and exhaled by people, makes up a fraction of one percent of all so-called greenhouse gases present naturally in the atmosphere. “Absolutely not,” Mörner said about the CO2 argument, noting there was “something basically sick” in the blame-CO2 hypothesis. “CO2, if it has any effect, it is minute — it does not matter. What has a big effect is the sun.”
Obviously, while he was serving on the UN IPCC, Mörner tried to warn his colleagues on the UN body that the politically backed hypothesis about CO2 driving temperature changes, and the subsequent claims regarding dangerous sea-level rise, were totally incorrect. “They just ignored what I was saying,” he recounted. “If they were clever — if they had facts on their hands — they could show that, 'no, you're wrong.' But that is not the case. They just will not discuss it. I will try to discuss it. I will show with their own data that they are wrong. Because in science, we discuss. We don't forbid or neglect.”
When asked about the frequently repeated (and easily debunked) claims of an alleged 97-percent consensus supporting the man-made global-warming hypothesis, Mörner said it was simply not true — and even if it were, it would be irrelevant. “Why does anybody say something when it is not correct?” he asked. “They say it because they have applied excellent lobbyists. They are working with lobbyists in their hand; 'say this, do that.' We don't do that.” In the field of physics, Mörner estimated that 80 to 90 percent of physicists know the hypothesis is wrong. And among geologists and astronomers, he said probably 80 percent know it is wrong.
“They claim that there are 97 percent who are for it,” Mörner said. “I claim that it is 97 percent of scientific facts against them.
 
Feb 12 2019 Dr. Nils-Axel Morner becomes the latest to “walk away” from this dying mythology-religion

— He also makes a startling observation about the smartest people in the room saying “80-90% of physicists know the theory is a lie” and further states that “80% of Astronomers and Geophysicists think the same way”. He also explains how lobbyists and politicians run the agenda.

Quoting Galileo, the 80-year-old Swedish scientist also slammed the shady tactics used by climate alarmists and the lobbyists they work with to suppress the real facts and demonize those who contradict their alarmist narrative. “If you write an excellent paper in a peer-reviewed journal, but they don't like it, they write to the journal and tell them they cannot write things like that, it's against the general consensus,” said Mörner, who has published hundreds of peer-reviewed papers on a wide range of scientific subjects. “They even put those journals on a black list. This is a shady thing going on. We don't work like that in real science.”
Instead of science, Mörner suspects that the behind-the-scenes promoters of the man-made warming hypothesis have dark, ulterior motives. “I think the ultimate thing is that they want a government for the whole globe, and that is a weird idea,” Mörner said, criticizing the Rockefeller dynasty and global efforts to keep developing countries from developing under the guise of saving the climate. “This is the hope of controlling everything. It is autocracy. It is really bad. Nobody should rule like that. But everybody has had these strange dreams — small countries of being larger, and empires wanting to be super-empires, and then they collapse. We have a whole history full of that. This globalism is a dangerous thing.”
By putting so much emphasis on climate alarmism and the alleged dangers of CO2, meanwhile, Mörner said the UN has diverted resources and attention away from “all the real problems” of the world that really do exist. “This is a terrible thing, this is the terrible thing,” he said. It is especially sad because “the world is full of real problems” such as hunger, starvation, killings, natural disasters, diseases, and so much more, he said. Yet because of the incessant focus on demonizing CO2 and trying to control “climate,” those very real problems get ignored.
Speaking of the UN's “climate” process, Mörner was pleased with Trump's actions so far, which include announcing that the U.S. government would be withdrawing from the highly controversial UN Paris Agreement. He urged the Trump administration to “forget about” the whole UN climate agenda “because that is nonsense, and you have very carefully and cleverly understood that.” However, he also urged Trump to be empathetic and willing to discuss the climate issue. “It is very simple for us to discuss it, because we really have the facts, they have their models,” Mörner said. “And facts are better than models.”
Dr. William Happer, a world-renown physicist from Princeton University who has advised President Trump on climate issues, also denounced warming alarmism and the demonization of CO2. In an interview with The New American at a climate-skeptic summit put together by Freedom Force International, Professor Happer said there was nothing to worry about from alleged man-made global warming or human emissions of the gas of life. “CO2 will be good for the Earth,” Happer said, adding that CO2 levels were unusually and extremely low by historical standards. “More would be a very good thing.”
Mörner, meanwhile, cautioned promoters of the man-made warming hypothesis that they were going to ultimately be exposed, with catastrophic consequences for the scientific community. “This is so unscientific,” he said, condemning climatologists for ignoring facts that contradict their climate models. “And that is a terrible thing, this unscientific part of it. Because one day, it will all be revealed as nonsense. And then we lose our trustworthiness.” The data will not change, he said. And it is clear. If nothing else, when the next cooling phase begins — “everything points to that we are going into a new so-called grand solar minimum and that is in the middle of this century, maybe even as early as 2030” — then everybody will realize how wrong the warmists have been. That is when the “rats will leave the sinking ship,” he said.
But Mörner still expressed sympathy with those who have been duped into believing they are saving the planet by fighting CO2. “Of course, everybody wants to believe in something,” he said. “All those people who don't know what they are talking about, but they believe that they are saving the world. We don't save the world, the world will keep on going.”
It is even worse than that, though. “This is the most dangerous and frightening part of it: How such a lobbyist group has been able to fool the whole world,” he concluded, comparing it to how National Socialists in Germany and communists in both Russia and China were able to deceive the populations and seize power. Blasting the “autocratic process,” he said these organized and deceitful forces were “so dangerous.” He also expressed shock that the UN and governments would parade children around at UN climate summits. “What do they know? They are very nice, all of them, but they should be out playing, not talking at the United Nations,” he said, criticizing as “a little evil” that children would be used as propaganda props. “That is an insult to science.”
Despite the warnings of Mörner and numerous other highly respected scientists around the world, including others who have served on the UN IPCC, the UN IPCC and the broader UN continue to sound the alarm over allegedly looming temperature increases and sea-level rises that will flood coastal cities around the world. Now they say there are just 12 years left to save the planet. They typically refuse to debate, too. The New American reached out to the IPCC for comment repeatedly during the recent UN COP24 “climate” summit in Katowice, Poland. However, the organization did not respond to e-mails, phone calls, or visits to the IPCC booth at the climate summit seeking comment.
 
A quick “Top 10” of the strongest climate sceptics..

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-ten-most-important-climate-change-skeptics-2009-7

They have grown stronger in their opinions as the “long pause” continues into its 20th year without warming.

Not necessarily my top ten..for today there are so many more who have fallen off that gravy train.

Probably need the unimpeachable John Christy and “Britain’s Weatherman,Atmospheric Physicist Piers Corbyn. Jeremy’s bro.
Pielke JR.,Curry,Shaviv,Soon,Svensmark,Nils-Christiansen,Motl among many more would also have to be considered.

*All these folks are much more credentialed scientists.Climate science is bullshit by historical comparison. The smartest folks in the room are crying “Bullshit” on this Apocalyptic shell game. There are only so many times they can pull the wool over.. It’s done. It is in its death throes precisely because it is bullshit. Bullshit that caught fire in the mind but never found its physical corollary. It was exciting for a time but now the ride has ended and the barkers are packing up and heading for gates..waiting for another play and another generation of hucksters ripe for the fleecing. :)

And so it goes and has gone time immemorial.
 
It’s no use to knock down one of lectro’s climate kooks, he’ll just fire up google and find another kook.
 
That article is 10 years old

..and like I said..it is time for an updated list.More fall off the funding circuit every year..just can’t in good conscious support
a boondoggle designed to deliver a windfall for ideologues and all at the sake of Scientific rigor.These new age Marxists will screw the 3rd world and everyone else in order to “save us”. This is their promise every time. This new green Deal is just tired old 70’s grandstanding reconstituted for today’s audience. Same shit,different sheen.
 
This pretty much sums it up..the disgusting way the Left uses children to advance their brainwashing.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...unberg-is-the-david-hogg-of-climate-alarmism/

“Burning youthful zeal is a powerful force (which is why totalitarian states so love to exploit it: see, for example, the Hitler Youth; or the zealots who denounced their parents in Mao’s Cultural Revolution) – but almost by definition, it is wrongheaded and dangerous because frankly, kids don’t know squat.

Not only have their frontal lobes yet to form – which means they are irrational and impulsive. But they have very limited experience of the real world (nor of its responsibilities) and what little they do know about it is largely dependent on what they’ve been fed by their teachers.

So there’s really nothing insightful about anything any child anywhere has to tell us about “climate change.” All it is is regurgitated drivel based on the alarmist nonsense they’ve been spoon-fed at school.“
 
Nothing to see here..just a Left Wingnutz smear.

Could Fraser Nelson have accepted a similar challenge? He's a publisher of a kind - editor of the Spectator magazine in fact – and, like Brochant, he has just made the biggest blunder of his career. He has invited a serial promoter of nonsense into his magazine and, to show off his remarkable find, has put him on the front cover, where his claims are promoted as straight fact.

Nelson's "find" is a man some of us found years ago and have seen as a source of wild entertainment ever since. He's called Nils-Axel Mörner, and among his claims to fame are that he possesses paranormal abilities to find water and metal using a dowsing rod, and that he has discovered "the Hong Kong of the [ancient] Greeks" in Sweden.
 
This pretty much sums it up..the disgusting way the Left uses children to advance their brainwashing.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...unberg-is-the-david-hogg-of-climate-alarmism/

* stepping around capn’s pattie..

“Burning youthful zeal is a powerful force (which is why totalitarian states so love to exploit it: see, for example, the Hitler Youth; or the zealots who denounced their parents in Mao’s Cultural Revolution) – but almost by definition, it is wrongheaded and dangerous because frankly, kids don’t know squat.

Not only have their frontal lobes yet to form – which means they are irrational and impulsive. But they have very limited experience of the real world (nor of its responsibilities) and what little they do know about it is largely dependent on what they’ve been fed by their teachers.

So there’s really nothing insightful about anything any child anywhere has to tell us about “climate change.” All it is is regurgitated drivel based on the alarmist nonsense they’ve been spoon-fed at school.“
 
Ok let's dispose of this solar-induced issue right now.

Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) has been steady, or even declining, since the 1970s. Yet we've seen almost half a degree of warming. The idea that we're "entering" a solar minimum is based off of a decline in TSI from about 1970-2018 in comparison to the period of about 1880-1970, which is estimated based on sunspot detection. The 1970-2018 data is direct satellite observation. It's really been quite steady.

The first graph here is TSI (Naval Research Laboratory) plotted against average global surface temperature (UK Met Office).

Screen-Shot-2019-02-20-at-7-21-26-AM.png


And here is TSI since 1970 (Physikalisch-Meteorologisches Observatorium Davos / World Radiation Center)

Screen-Shot-2019-02-20-at-7-24-27-AM.png


So it's generally in an 11-year cycle, and it's even a little lower during the last cycle, yet we're still warming at a rapid rate. NASA estimates that a 7 watt/m2 increase in TSI is needed for 1ºC of warming, but as you can see, since 1970 it's only been an observed change of ~0.7 watt/m2. Even if you use the sunspot estimates starting in 1880, we're looking at a contribution of about 0.1ºC of warming from the sun.

We're currently at almost a full 1ºC of observed temperature rise during that time period.

Furthermore, solar warming would radiate throughout the entire atmosphere, but in actuality we've seen the upper atmosphere (stratosphere) cool while the lower atmosphere (troposphere) has warmed, a clear sign that heat is being trapped on its way back up from the Earth. A lot of the stratospheric cooling started when the ozone layer was being depleted, but even as it has rebounded there has not been a significant re-warming of the stratosphere.

So anyway, it's not the sun.
 
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This pretty much sums it up..the disgusting way the Left uses children to advance their brainwashing.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...unberg-is-the-david-hogg-of-climate-alarmism/

“Burning youthful zeal is a powerful force (which is why totalitarian states so love to exploit it: see, for example, the Hitler Youth; or the zealots who denounced their parents in Mao’s Cultural Revolution) – but almost by definition, it is wrongheaded and dangerous because frankly, kids don’t know squat.

Not only have their frontal lobes yet to form – which means they are irrational and impulsive. But they have very limited experience of the real world (nor of its responsibilities) and what little they do know about it is largely dependent on what they’ve been fed by their teachers.

So there’s really nothing insightful about anything any child anywhere has to tell us about “climate change.” All it is is regurgitated drivel based on the alarmist nonsense they’ve been spoon-fed at school.“

Lol, yes school is spoon-fed drivel compared to Breitbart. Might I remind you that school and other public youth programs are literally meant to be the intellectual development of humans for advancement of a society, all citizens have a say in the direction of public education. It goes wrong when it is used for the purposes of state propaganda instead of intellectual development. I can assure you that Sweden is not thrilled with Greta, nor are other states around Europe with their own schoolchildren. Nor is the movement being used to advance state programs, on the contrary it is pressuring the state to change programs, it is literally a movement to challenge the failures of the state action. Finally, they are LEAVING school to protest. Nothing about this is state-sponsored, it is in fact an abandonment of the state youth programs.

Breitbart is a profit-making enterprise aimed at getting you to visit the site and its subsidiaries as much as possible.
 
Ok let's dispose of this solar-induced issue right now.

Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) has been steady, or even declining, since the 1970s. Yet we've seen almost half a degree of warming. The idea that we're "entering" a solar minimum is based off of a decline in TSI from about 1970-2018 in comparison to the period of about 1880-1970, which is estimated based on sunspot detection. The 1970-2018 data is direct satellite observation. It's really been quite steady.

The first graph here is TSI (Naval Research Laboratory) plotted against average global surface temperature (UK Met Office).

Screen-Shot-2019-02-20-at-7-21-26-AM.png


And here is TSI since 1970 (Physikalisch-Meteorologisches Observatorium Davos / World Radiation Center)

Screen-Shot-2019-02-20-at-7-24-27-AM.png


So it's generally in an 11-year cycle, and it's even a little lower during the last cycle, yet we're still warming at a rapid rate. NASA estimates that a 7 watt/m2 increase in TSI is needed for 1ºC of warming, but as you can see, since 1970 it's only been an observed change of ~0.7 watt/m2. Even if you use the sunspot estimates starting in 1880, we're looking at a contribution of about 0.1ºC of warming from the sun.

We're currently at almost a full 1ºC of observed temperature rise during that time period.

Furthermore, solar warming would radiate throughout the entire atmosphere, but in actuality we've seen the upper atmosphere (stratosphere) cool while the lower atmosphere (troposphere) has warmed, a clear sign that heat is being trapped on its way back up from the Earth. A lot of the stratospheric cooling started when the ozone layer was being depleted, but even as it has rebounded there has not been a significant re-warming of the stratosphere.

So anyway, it's not the sun.

This is even less uncertain and less variable than the randomized simulated temperature data I provided as an example of how temporal trends work under highly levels of stochasticity and model uncertainty. That first figure you provided is remarkable.
 
Global Temperatures have been flat for 2 decades.

Quit pedaling politicized data that is proven bullshit.

This myth is Socialism’s wet dream.

Not happening.

Run to your window and scream “the end is nigh”
 
Global Temperatures have been flat for 2 decades.

Quit pedaling politicized data that is proven bullshit.

This myth is Socialism’s wet dream.

Not happening.

Run to your window and scream “the end is nigh”

When your argument is full of facts and definitely not just an ideology
 
The concept that climate change is a "socialist wet dream" shows the myopic stupidity and brainwashing of the fossil fuel industry of morons. Combating and reversing climate change added to expanding renewable energy could be the biggest, capitalistic economic boom of the 21st century. Not only will it creates tens of millions of new jobs, but these jobs will not be outsourcable and will be high paying.

The spinoff jobs will make tons of people rich and well paid. Not going all in on renewable production is the most anti-capitalist position anyone could take.
 
Yeah I mean Lectro has a long history on this forum of tiptoeing the line between the real world and something much darker and more delusional
 
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