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The size of our home basketball stadium

Les Grossman said:
Curtains are a terrible idea. Looks very small time. We bought a old building. Shouldn't have, but we did. Now that it's ours, let's make sure we do it right. Change the upper level of the arena by lowering the ceiling and reducing seating. I like the idea of adding suites and moving student seating. I don't think we need 40-45 suites.

Also, what are all these events that are clamoring to use a venue that seats over 10k in Winston-Salem? (That's an honest question. What are these events that we should potentially sacrifice our own home court advantage for?)


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Now that ljvm is managed by the Greensboro coliseum, I think the idea is to have the really large concerts and events in Greensboro and smaller concerts at ljvm. Whether they'll need 14,000 seats, I don't know and I agree that it shouldn't be a primary concern when making changes for wake bball.

I think that sound reflecting black walls over the portion of the upper deck on the same side as the tv cameras would work well. You wouldn't see them on tv and they would push all attendees into a smaller space. Plus it would allow flexibility, so that when we're top 10 again in the post bz era, we can open up all 14,000 for big games and make money off tickets, parking, and concessions.

I get the concern that it might look small time, but if done well it wouldn't be very noticeable and could easily right-size the arena. The spurs used them for years at the Alamodome.
 
If we lower the roof, don't we have to take out the hanging scoreboard?
 
The Cintas Center at Xavier should be what we model the Joel renovation of off. Perfect capacity at just over 10,000. They effectively have one end zone that is simply space for pre-game events and conference rooms.

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IMissRandolph said:
The Cintas Center at Xavier should be what we model the Joel renovation of off. Perfect capacity at just over 10,000. They effectively have one end zone that is simply space for pre-game events and conference rooms.

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Less reminders of the Xavier game, please.
 
IMissRandolph said:
The Cintas Center at Xavier should be what we model the Joel renovation of off. Perfect capacity at just over 10,000. They effectively have one end zone that is simply space for pre-game events and conference rooms.

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It would be uber expensive to renovate the Joel like that.
 
MBDeac08 said:
It's out of date any way. Get a new one that doesn't hang as low.
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The Joel didn't have the hanging scoreboard when it opened. There was a big deal made about not having anything to obstruct the view from the upper level. I don't know when the scoreboard was installed.
 
LilburnDeac said:
The Joel didn't have the hanging scoreboard when it opened. There was a big deal made about not having anything to obstruct the view from the upper level. I don't know when the scoreboard was installed.
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I think it was installed in the summer of 2005. The sound system was just updated this year.
 
Problem: can't fill the area with a horrible coach who can't win
Solution: reduce capacity by building suites for the Wellman yes-men
 
I miss DonaldRoss as a regular poster. The series of planned threads back around like 2001 where he moderated months-long discussion of an on-campus arena was interesting.
 
donaldross said:
Our home basketball stadium contains nearly twice the seats as it should for our fan base. This has long been the case and many of us have hashed through this for a couple decades now.

It has long been argued that we fill it for every Duke and UNC Game -- a myth even during the 'glory days' of the mid-90s. That was always a bad argument of course--even though it was false--because a real 'home crowd advantage' is truly measured by a much needed bubble game against a middling ACC opponent.

Our students are now pathetic given the Buzz debacle. In addition, the merits of the decision to buy the Joel are behind us because, well, we bought it.

Given our present situation, I would propose ripping out the seats across from the benches and installing 500-750 student seats with 40-45 suites above the seats on that entire side. I would do whatever can be done to get seats out of the upper deck as much as possible and have additional student seating behind baskets if demand returns. I would then bring in the walls or drape the upper deck as much as possible in the event we ever do have excitement again and need additional seats. This would give 2-3k premium type club seating that we can charge a good price for and an additional 6-7k seats--many of which would still be on the floor for donors that do not choose the suite option. There still would be low demand for the regular seats but at least there would be some.

There are certainly some interesting arguments in this debate and have been for some time. But look around on Sunday and decide whether there is any merit to the argument that 'we always fill the place for UNC.'

Go Deacs.
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We had no problem filling it in the GDO days when we were good with Timmy & Randolph. No problem filling it in the Prosser days when we were good with JHo or CP3. No problem filling it with Dino & Jeff Teague/James Johnson.

We have basically an on-campus facility DR with the best parking in all of college basketball and all of our athletic facilities in the same place--football, baseball & basketball all 1 mile and walking distance from campus. They are no further away from the students than the Dean Dome is in Chapel Hill or the Comcast is at MD or especailly the PNC in Raleigh.

We do not need anything else...we have a great facility. Put us a great team in there and they will come.
 
donaldross said:
Put this in perspective: At WF, we are able to sell to our donors Club level seats for football at $350/game. People are standing in line to buy these. This is true, even when the street value of quality seats much lower is $15-$20.

I did forget about the UNCG stadium & I was wrong about that change. When we ran then numbers a few years ago, we were the largest per capita. My fault, you would think I would know as a UNCG donor! FWIW, I do think they have made a mistake moving the Spartans from Fleming over to the Coliseum. But I will say selfishly being able to get a beer & spread out a little makes it more enjoyable to go to UNCG games. Fleming was never a real home crowd advantage anyway but it is no advantage at all for the Spartans to play at Greensboro Coliseum. That was a mistake.

For those of you going up to Pitt next Saturday, take a look at their Club setup. That is kind of what I am talking about only I'd stick that Club section slightly above, rather than below, a few student seats. We have plenty of empty space in our lower level to create all kinds of seating opportunities to meet the demands of what we have left in terms of fans.

Creating those opportunities now I think will also pay off if and when our program gets back on track.
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The Spartans did it so they can get big name teams to come to visit. That is basically the sole reason. ACC teams come to play them home & home because the Greensboro Coliseum is the site of the ACCT so they come down to get a game there. UNC-G gets to call it a home game now, mark up ticket prices for their season tickets and those single games, get a few more on TV and it makes them look good.
 
TheReff said:
We had no problem filling it in the GDO days when we were good with Timmy & Randolph. No problem filling it in the Prosser days when we were good with JHo or CP3. No problem filling it with Dino & Jeff Teague/James Johnson.

We have basically an on-campus facility DR with the best parking in all of college basketball and all of our athletic facilities in the same place--football, baseball & basketball all 1 mile and walking distance from campus. They are no further away from the students than the Dean Dome is in Chapel Hill or the Comcast is at MD or especailly the PNC in Raleigh.

We do not need anything else...we have a great facility. Put us a great team in there and they will come.
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It's not a great facility, it's going on almost 25 years. The myth of selling it out in the Duncan and Paul years is not accurate. We sold out a number of the big games, but many of those were filled with opposing fans. Even with Duncan and Paul, we often had mediocre crowds with our non-conference games
 
Mediocre crowds back then were lowers full, upper middle full, upper corners sparse and upper end zones near empty.
 
perhaps so, but this notion that we were selling the Joel out left and right with those teams isn't accurate
 
TheReff said:
We had no problem filling it in the GDO days when we were good with Timmy & Randolph. No problem filling it in the Prosser days when we were good with JHo or CP3. No problem filling it with Dino & Jeff Teague/James Johnson.
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This is one of the biggest myths perpetuated by the "#JoelIn" crowd.
 
LilburnDeac said:
The Joel didn't have the hanging scoreboard when it opened. There was a big deal made about not having anything to obstruct the view from the upper level. I don't know when the scoreboard was installed.
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Trent Strickland jumped up and installed it. I saw him do it.
 
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