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Sources: Tyler Cavanaugh Transferring

We got a shout out during the game tonight where Fran Fraschilla asked what we didn't see in Cavanaugh during his two years here.
 
KingCurtis said:
We got a shout out during the game tonight where Fran Fraschilla asked what we didn't see in Cavanaugh during his two years here.
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Actually, Cav was one of the guys that many did not like to see leave. Cav had shown some stuff during his two years at Wake. Like most players with his rating, there is a growing and learning curve. These are the guys that really don't get good until their jr and sr years (if they do at all). Cav is in his fourth year, and looking pretty good. Not NBA good, but high level NCAA good. He might get a late second round draft pick, but more likely will be an UFA invitee to some NBA team's summer league team after next season.
 
Deaconblue said:
Actually, Cav was one of the guys that many did not like to see leave. Cav had shown some stuff during his two years at Wake. Like most players with his rating, there is a growing and learning curve. These are the guys that really don't get good until their jr and sr years (if they do at all). Cav is in his fourth year, and looking pretty good. Not NBA good, but high level NCAA good. He might get a late second round draft pick, but more likely will be an UFA invitee to some NBA team's summer league team after next season.
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Revisionist history at it's finest. Between Moto and Cav, at the time, I'm really sure that most people were more upset at losing Moto. Cav frankly did not look like an ACC player in his two years at Wake.
 
I have a friend that is close with Lonergan (GW's head coach), and they loved Cavanaugh from day 1 (heard questions all of the time, "why didn't Cav excel at WF?"). Hard to find 6-9 240 pound players that can shoot 40% from 3.

FWIW, Cavanaugh was coming on at the end of the 2014 season. Over the last 7 games of the 2014 regular season, Cavanaugh had:

14 against FSU
5 against Maryland
15 against UNC
12 against Clemson
8 against BC
20 against Duke
8 against Miami

Cav was becoming a solid ACC player. The reason why most of us didn't pine over Cav's transfer was because: a) anything associated with [redacted] was tainted; the fanbase was ready to throw out everything associated with that abomination; b) Cav was the most vocal person defending [redacted] when he was canned; that did not sit well with the fanbase.
 
It was his decision to leave, I thought he could continue to improve and be a solid player for us, Apparently he did not bond with new staff and decided to leave. It was our loss.
 
BabyDeac75 said:
Part of the timing is that our prior coach increasingly coddled the players and did whatever it took to placate them in a effort to minimize transfers. A perverse "bunker mentality" was fostered and for the rising juniors it became the only college basketball experience they knew. With the coaching change, a new (read tougher and more demanding) environment is being established. Some will accept the challenge and rise to meet it. Others may find that it does not fit their desires and expectations. Those with options elsewhere may decide to leave. We have some on the roster that are fortunate to be here and they know it. They probably arent going anywhere. The expectations for being a WF basketball player are being changed from the depths of the last two years. Some of our players may be unwilling or unable to make that transition. Let us not lose sight of the fact that it is up to the players to satisfy the coaching staff, not the other way around. It is a poor metric indeed to evaluate DM by the prior players that he retains. He is not trying to run anybody off, but neither is his objective to retain as many as possible. He needs time to instill his philosophy and time to recruit his players before we start to panic over a few transfers.
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BabyDeac explained the decision transfer at the time.
 
Pilchard said:
BabyDeac explained the decision transfer at the time.
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See that's the difference between a good coach and a bad coach....A good coach manages to keep the legit players around despite the change in culture by getting them to buy into the program and his vision while a bad coach runs them off and blames the previous coach and the kid.
 
Think that it's a stretch to say that DM "ran off" Cavanaugh. For whatever reason, Cavanaugh was close to Bz, and publically disagreed with the decision to terminate him (insane as that sounds). After that, it's unclear what was done to keep Cav and what could have been done to keep Cav. FWIW, I had heard that Moto left WF because he was getting "bad advice" from 3rd parties.
 
He may not have "looked" like an ACC player, but he sure as hell played like one. His offensive rating in conference play his sophomore year at Wake was 108.2 (100 is average). He had the 5th best free throw shooting in conference play, shot 37% from three, and didn't turn the ball over at a high clip. Like I said when he transferred, this was a bigger loss than most thought it would be.
 
MichDeac25 said:
Revisionist history at it's finest. Between Moto and Cav, at the time, I'm really sure that most people were more upset at losing Moto. Cav frankly did not look like an ACC player in his two years at Wake.
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At the end of his sophomore year, he was starting to. Much more so than the dead weight of Andre Washington, Madison Jones, and Aaron Rountree.
 
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MichDeac25 said:
Revisionist history at it's finest. Between Moto and Cav, at the time, I'm really sure that most people were more upset at losing Moto. Cav frankly did not look like an ACC player in his two years at Wake.
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You could say this about quite a few of our players over the last few years, unfortunately. Some of them bolted, some stayed.

Oh, and it's not true about Cav, as others have pointed out.
 
Unfortunately, yet another reason for the college hoops world - and recruits - to opine " Geezes, what the heck has happened to Wake Forest ? "

Cav made the right choice....now he's got an NIT Championship and an MVP Trophy.
 
Pilchard said:
I have a friend that is close with Lonergan (GW's head coach), and they loved Cavanaugh from day 1 (heard questions all of the time, "why didn't Cav excel at WF?"). Hard to find 6-9 240 pound players that can shoot 40% from 3.

FWIW, Cavanaugh was coming on at the end of the 2014 season. Over the last 7 games of the 2014 regular season, Cavanaugh had:

14 against FSU
5 against Maryland
15 against UNC
12 against Clemson
8 against BC
20 against Duke
8 against Miami

Cav was becoming a solid ACC player. The reason why most of us didn't pine over Cav's transfer was because: a) anything associated with [redacted] was tainted; the fanbase was ready to throw out everything associated with that abomination; b) Cav was the most vocal person defending [redacted] when he was canned; that did not sit well with the fanbase.
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Pretty much all of this.
 
The size of that class was seriously unhealthy for our program. We absolutely needed some of those guys to transfer. Ideally, we would have held on to CMM, Thomas, Moto and Cav, but in the end its unlikely we would have made the tournament even if they had stayed so ultimately it doesn't matter much.
 
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