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F is for Fascism (Ferguson MO)

Rafi said:
I think this will be another video that really resonates with almost everyone. An unarmed 75 year old white man is surrounded by 30 cops in full riot gear, they shove him to the ground, and he sustains a life-threatening injury. The police then release a statement that he tripped...
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That guy was gonna be out looting after curfew. Not doubt about. He was also AntiFa. He was probably asking that cop for directions to the AntiFa meetup.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Buffalo has had the same black Democrat mayor for the last 15 years and has a black police chief. Who signs off on their funding and top-notch training? Who told them to be out there in riot formation? Though it won't happen, hopefully some good to come out of this will be a recognition of how the Democratic party has failed on its alleged basic positions. But it won't, and the same stooges will keep getting elected.
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Are you saying the Republican Party has/would do a better job on these issues? There are numerous examples of departments around the country that have made progress in recent years.
 
palmab03 said:
You see quite a bit of bad videos posted by the protestors, but I bet the police wish they could upload cell phone videos of the protestors.
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Seems like that would be a matter of wearing a body camera and turning it on
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Buffalo has had the same black Democrat mayor for the last 15 years and has a black police chief. Who signs off on their funding and top-notch training? Who told them to be out there in riot formation? Though it won't happen, hopefully some good to come out of this will be a recognition of how the Democratic party has failed on its alleged basic positions. But it won't, and the same stooges will keep getting elected.
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All these protesters know who's in office, and have for a long time, despite you coming up with this take four days ago. In Richmond, people called on Stoney (black Dem mayor) to resign because they didn't like how he handled the cops tear gassing individual civilians. And it's not like you hear anybody yell "Biden 2020" at these things. There is plenty of "Fuck Trump" though, because as flawed as the Dems are, the protesters are also smart enough to know that the GOP would be far worse.
 
mikedrum4prez said:
Are you saying the Republican Party has/would do a better job on these issues? There are numerous examples of departments around the country that have made progress in recent years.
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No, I'm saying both parties have failed and these protests serve minimal purpose because the majority of our leaders, regardless of race, are incompetent. Virtually all of the cities where protesters are clashing with police are controlled by Democrats. And plenty of them (Atlanta, Charlotte, Buffalo) have black mayors, black police chiefs, and black city councils. Yet they are the ones who have been funding the militarization of police for the past few decades and overseeing their hiring and training practices, as well as positioning them adverse to the protesters in the current situation. Rural police departments don't have riot gear and what amount to tanks. It is black on black crime at the highest level.
 
deactherunner said:
All these protesters know who's in office, and have for a long time, despite you coming up with this take four days ago. In Richmond, people called on Stoney (black Dem mayor) to resign because they didn't like how he handled the cops tear gassing individual civilians. And it's not like you hear anybody yell "Biden 2020" at these things. There is plenty of "Fuck Trump" though, because as flawed as the Dems are, the protesters are also smart enough to know that the GOP would be far worse.
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this.
 
deactherunner said:
All these protesters know who's in office, and have for a long time, despite you coming up with this take four days ago. In Richmond, people called on Stoney (black Dem mayor) to resign because they didn't like how he handled the cops tear gassing individual civilians. And it's not like you hear anybody yell "Biden 2020" at these things. There is plenty of "Fuck Trump" though, because as flawed as the Dems are, the protesters are also smart enough to know that the GOP would be far worse.
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Would they though? The rural police departments run by the GOP don't have riot gear and armored vehicles.
 
 
A year an a half ago, This American Life did a full episode on the embedded racism in the dutch fire department. The mayor of Amsterdam appointed a progressive anti-racist fireman as the big chief in charge. The resistance from within the department against any and all anti sexist and anti racist practices and policies was so extreme that after 2 years (give or take) the Mayor had to replace the chief because the department had become so dysfunctional. It's an anecdote and it was in Holland, but the point is, sometimes getting rid of racism is a lot harder than just electing a progressive leader.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
No, I'm saying both parties have failed and these protests serve minimal purpose because the majority of our leaders, regardless of race, are incompetent. Virtually all of the cities where protesters are clashing with police are controlled by Democrats. And plenty of them (Atlanta, Charlotte, Buffalo) have black mayors, black police chiefs, and black city councils. Yet they are the ones who have been funding the militarization of police for the past few decades and overseeing their hiring and training practices, as well as positioning them adverse to the protesters in the current situation. Rural police departments don't have riot gear and what amount to tanks. It is black on black crime at the highest level.
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Police shootings have decreased in large cities and increased in suburban and rural areas. They still occur everywhere, but the decreases have been seen in the large cities over the past several years. Sorry, I know the data do not fit your argument.
 
Rafi said:
Police shootings have decreased in large cities and increased in suburban and rural areas. They still occur everywhere, but the decreases have been seen in the large cities over the past several years. Sorry, I know the data do not fit your argument.
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So the militarization works and is a good thing? So why is everyone here constantly complaining about it then? And why are the protests in large cities if their tactics are working?
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Would they though? The rural police departments run by the GOP don't have riot gear and armored vehicles.
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9,000 of 15,000 law agencies in the US have SWAT units and/or gear. From 1997 to 2014 the DOD transferred over $4 billion to local law enforcement in military gear, and every department in America was allowed to apply for it.

On an outcomes basis, this has been an unmitigated disaster. The SWAT forces are deployed to black neighborhoods disproportionately; for every 10 percent increase in black population there is a 10% increase in SWAT raid, but it's not correlated whatsoever with crime statistics. Nor does it keep police safer. There are over 1 million officers in the US, and their number of deaths is in the low hundreds every year, entirely unaffected by their access to gear (or, it should be noted, training). In fact, police fall somewhere around 16th in the deadliest professions list in America, behind farmers and grounds maintenance workers. Crime rates haven't fallen either, but sentiments towards police have plummeted.

And none of this surveyed data has anything to do with who runs departments, this is the national rate.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
So the militarization works and is a good thing? So why is everyone here constantly complaining about it then? And why are the protests in large cities if their tactics are working?
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No. The training in deescalation, movement away from choke holds, etc works, to some extent. The militarization is likely why the numbers haven't dropped more.
 
These churches along 16th St NW in DC will be ringing their bells for 8 minutes, 46 seconds tonight starting at 5:45. I'll be there.

All Souls Church Unitarian
Augustana Lutheran Church
Calvary Baptist Church
Christ Lutheran Church
Congregation Action Network
Disciples Refugee & Immigration Ministries
Eighth Day Faith Community
Emory Fellowship
Fabrangen Havurah
The Festival Center
First Trinity Lutheran Church
Foundry United Methodist Church
Grace Lutheran Church
National City Christian Church
Nineteenth Street Baptist
Peoples Congregational UCC
Sixth Presbyterian Church
Silver Spring United Methodist Church
St. Matthews DC
St. Stephen & the Incarnation Episcopal Church
Washington Ethical Society
Zion Baptist Church
 
http://www.citypages.com/news/minne...bers-consider-disbanding-the-police/570993291

Minneapolis City Council members consider disbanding the police

If you’ve been tuned into the Minneapolis public safety scene, you know that for years, Reclaim the Block and other grassroots community groups have been asking the city to do one thing: stop investing in policing.


Budget meeting after budget meeting, they’d turn out with their petitions and signs, demanding the city put less money into its police department and more money into programs that stop crimes from happening in the first place – affordable housing, addiction counseling, violence prevention programs.

The council's been listening.

“I think we’ve had a vision for a while of wanting to see another kind of city response to those [911] calls,” says Council Member Steve Fletcher, whose Ward 3 covers parts of downtown.

Calls about mental health crises could be answered by mental health professionals. Calls about opioid abuse could be answered by addiction experts. Instead, both get cops, usually armed.

But it’s one thing to think that’s a good idea and another to get it done. The city has “struggled” to put any of these reforms in place in a substantial way, Fletcher says.

Then George Floyd was killed by Minneapolis police.

Now the council members are listening to a city that is wounded, angry, fed up with decades of violence disproportionately visited upon black and brown residents. Various private and public bodies – from First Avenue to Minneapolis Public Schools – have essentially cut ties with the police department. Council members are trying to figure out what their next move is.

Their discussion is starting to sound a little more like what groups like Reclaim the Block and the Black Visions Collective have been saying for years. On Tuesday, Fletcher published a lengthy Twitter thread saying the police department was “irredeemably beyond reform,” and a “protection racket” that slows down responses as political payback.

“Several of us on the council are working on finding out what it would take to disband the Minneapolis Police Department and start fresh with a community-oriented, nonviolent public safety and outreach capacity,” he wrote.
 
 
‘Police just went nuts’: Charges dropped after video surfaces of police beating student, other protesters with batons

A Temple University student arrested during protests Monday was released from custody Wednesday after video surfaced of one police officer striking him in the head with a baton and another using his knee to pin the student’s face to the street.

Prosecutors dismissed the charges against Evan Gorski, 21, an engineering student, after viewing the YouTube and Twitter videos, according to his attorney, R. Emmett Madden.

Madden said Thursday that he had been told by court personnel that Gorski was being held on allegations that he assaulted a police officer by pushing him off a bike, causing him to break a hand.

Eight seconds into the 36-second video, Gorski — with a ponytail and wearing the Eagles jersey — appears to reach in to separate an officer and a protester, and immediately retreats when another officer raises his baton.

That officer then strikes Gorski sharply on or near his head and tackles him, while another officer presses Gorski’s face to the pavement by placing his knee on the back of his head and neck. Madden said Gorski required medical treatment.
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