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F is for Fascism (Ferguson MO)

They had no basis to initiate a felony stop under those circumstances. I don’t understand the confusion.
 
Who's dismissing? My best friend died via drowning in 8th grade, how many people do any of you know who died wrongly at the hands of the state? The numbers are the numbers, townie can choose to ride a bike to work and I can choose to rent a house with a pool, but I doubt either of us spent too much of our time walking around worrying about dying from either.

Someone who is afraid of drowning in a pool or dying on a bike can avoid those things. Someone afraid of dying at the hands of the cops cannot avoid an encounter with the police if the police want an encounter.

(one of many ways that analogy fails).
 
Someone who is afraid of drowning in a pool or dying on a bike can avoid those things. Someone afraid of dying at the hands of the cops cannot avoid an encounter with the police if the police want an encounter.

(one of many ways that analogy fails).

1 in 1500 chance of dying by fire, 1 in 2500 chance of death by choking on food and 1 in 8500 chance of dying via sunstroke. Take your analogy, but death by cop is likely closest to sunstroke for those not carrying a gun. Wrongful death even more unlikely. Going through life fearful would suck, so it's probably best to have some perspective as it appears in this most recent case (and many of these cases) the fear was making things worse. Absent a bunch of progressives deciding to up and choose to want to become a cop, there aren't too many easy solutions here.
 
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They’re literally roving hordes of government officials who have power exert physical force on anybody and start a process that could end with stripping them of citizenship rights in line with the 13th Amendment.

It’s a problem.
 
1 in 1500 chance of dying by fire, 1 in 2500 chance of death by choking on food and 1 in 8500 chance of dying via sunstroke. Take your analogy, but death by cop is likely closest to sunstroke for those not carrying a gun. Wrongful death even more unlikely.

Clearly there's a reason to embellish the risk and state "I'm afraid to go out of the house" plenty of asians are afraid to go out of the house these days. Doesn't make the fear justified.

1 in 1000 is pretty close to the odds of an Asian person in the US dying from COVID over the last year.
 
1 in 1000 is pretty close to the odds of an Asian person in the US dying from COVID over the last year.

I've struggled with that math on how much time I've spent fearing COVID for quite some time, as I'm probably around that 1 in 1,000 mark of death in reality, yet my fears have me thinking there's a 10% shot I'm in the hospital. Especially when you start comparing it to how much of my remaining life expectancy I just spent not seeing any of my friends or doing many of the things I enjoy.
 
1 in 1500 chance of dying by fire, 1 in 2500 chance of death by choking on food and 1 in 8500 chance of dying via sunstroke. Take your analogy, but death by cop is likely closest to sunstroke for those not carrying a gun. Wrongful death even more unlikely. Going through life fearful would suck, so it's probably best to have some perspective as it appears in this most recent case (and many of these cases) the fear was making things worse. Absent a bunch of progressives deciding to up and choose to want to become a cop, there aren't too many easy solutions here.

If you run from an approaching fire or do the Heimlich maneuver, you don't have a state-sanctioned apparatus to punish you for resisting being burnt, and you generally don't have throngs of people saying publicly and/or on the internet why you deserve to choke.
 
1 in 1500 chance of dying by fire, 1 in 2500 chance of death by choking on food and 1 in 8500 chance of dying via sunstroke. Take your analogy, but death by cop is likely closest to sunstroke for those not carrying a gun. Wrongful death even more unlikely. Going through life fearful would suck, so it's probably best to have some perspective as it appears in this most recent case (and many of these cases) the fear was making things worse. Absent a bunch of progressives deciding to up and choose to want to become a cop, there aren't too many easy solutions here.

If one out of six people who died by fire died because a state agent set the fire (forest management, for example), and they were legally required to not evacuate if they saw a state-set fire coming towards them, I would think that would be a pretty big problem.
 
If one out of six people who died by fire died because a state agent set the fire (forest management, for example), and they were legally required to not evacuate if they saw a state-set fire coming towards them, I would think that would be a pretty big problem.

In this analogy if the state agent didn't set the fire then someone else would be setting a bigger fire. There's an inherent risk that's going to be out there when you give cops guns and when your citizenry is as armed as ours is. That's probably why we have laws against tinted windows.

I'm all for getting rid of all the guns, but until we do that, cops are gonna have guns. Generally when I end up posting on this thread it is in response to someone being outraged that something bad happened to someone who was verbally resisting cops. Seems really stupid to verbally resist cops, but I'm a beta Quaker raised pacifist who's managed to avoid getting in a fist fight his entire life. You alphas must not be able to resist wanting to mouth off to cops if feeling slighted.
 
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I've struggled with that math on how much time I've spent fearing COVID for quite some time, as I'm probably around that 1 in 1,000 mark of death in reality, yet my fears have me thinking there's a 10% shot I'm in the hospital. Especially when you start comparing it to how much of my remaining life expectancy I just spent not seeing any of my friends or doing many of the things I enjoy.

The odds are only that low because of all the precautions. It would be a lot more if we did nothing.

COVID is a virus. It doesn’t think. It just does. If we could just tell COVID to stop we would. Cops are people. They do think. But we don’t tell them to stop. Instead we encourage them to be violent state actors.
 
The odds are only that low because of all the precautions. It would be a lot more if we did nothing.

COVID is a virus. It doesn’t think. It just does. If we could just tell COVID to stop we would. Cops are people. They do think. But we don’t tell them to stop. Instead we encourage them to be violent state actors.

I agree on the COVID, and that's why I acted.

I'm pretty much only talented at like one thing in my life and that's strategy games. Just like how Dems could take control the country by some very minor migration to Wyoming and Montana, the only real solution to improving policing is having the people who care become police officers.
 
Is it a reasonable fear though, or a bit of a product of now we have cell phone videos of everything that social media makes go viral scaring us into 1,100 page threads about facism? It looks like ph has a 2.5x higher chance of this happening to him than me based on being a black male. It looks like I have a 2x higher chance of suffering from a violent crime by living in los angeles compared to tampa. I don't lose any sleep over that, but I guess I could choose to really get myself worked up about it if I wanted.

Your reasonable fear/swimming pool analogy is not properly framed. Of course the odds of drowning are low, but if your foot is caught in the drain and you can’t get to the surface, your odds of drowning just went up dramatically. Similarly, if a Black man is in the middle of nowhere at night in southern Virginia with two cops that have their guns drawn on him for no clear reason, then the odds of dying at the hands of a cop just went up dramatically. And having fear in that situation is completely rational.
 
Your reasonable fear/swimming pool analogy is not properly framed. Of course the odds of drowning are low, but if your foot is caught in the drain and you can’t get to the surface, your odds of drowning just went up dramatically. Similarly, if a Black man is in the middle of nowhere at night in southern Virginia with two cops that have their guns drawn on him for no clear reason, then the odds of dying at the hands of a cop just went up dramatically. And having fear in that situation is completely rational.

yes, this
 
The only way that analogy works if to admit that being a Black man in this country is like being thrown in the deep end of the pool and having to become an Olympic level swimmer just to survive. There’s a threat of drowning from being in the pool all the time.
 
It looks like the ratio of police deaths is about 2.5x more likely if you're black than white, which is roughly equal to the poverty rate discrepancies (25-30% of blacks vs 8-10% for whites). Solve the latter and you likely solve the former.

Palma still thinks people aren’t racist.
 
I mean we don’t know what happened leading up to the stop. But it’s hard to blame someone for not complying when they have pepper spray in their eyes. Literally it’s designed to make you disorientated and confused.
 
The only way that analogy works if to admit that being a Black man in this country is like being thrown in the deep end of the pool and having to become an Olympic level swimmer just to survive. There’s a threat of drowning from being in the pool all the time.

PH has clearly never worked as a life guard
 
Your reasonable fear/swimming pool analogy is not properly framed. Of course the odds of drowning are low, but if your foot is caught in the drain and you can’t get to the surface, your odds of drowning just went up dramatically. Similarly, if a Black man is in the middle of nowhere at night in southern Virginia with two cops that have their guns drawn on him for no clear reason, then the odds of dying at the hands of a cop just went up dramatically. And having fear in that situation is completely rational.

There seems to be a failure of recognition that if the cops say "how many people are in your car" and your responses are consistently antagonistic, your odds of dying just went up alot.
 
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