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F is for Fascism (Ferguson MO)

What does a society without police or prisons look like?
 
What does a society without police or prisons look like?

A lot more of this:

One man with a gun cut off another man with a gun. Man 1 tried to apologize at the next light. Man 2 got out of the car and shot him. Man 1 shot back. Both died.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/...0190612-4p4hwvetynbe7gedkkpxlxujsm-story.html

This is a successful use of guns in gun nut world. Both men protected themselves with their guns. Both men were accurate shots. Both men died.

Hooray!
 
Just let MHB answer my original question.
 
MHB, that's about prisons. I asked about police and prisons.
 
MHB, that's about prisons. I asked about police and prisons.

The logic is pretty similar. Abolitionists often talk of abolishing the prison industrial complex, which includes police. But I will try to find a resource that speaks more directly to police.
 
Those are good reads. Obviously it’s much harder to unwind the last 200 years that put us in a police state than it was to get here.

There are some good ideas. Decriminalization is the big one and the key. There needs to be a national conversation about why some things are illegal and other things aren’t.

One thing that comes to mind is that both articles described what would be a libertarian paradise if libertarians were real instead of just being white guys who hate paying taxes. If libertarians could get behind this, it could get some more political traction.

There are two big problems. First, people aren’t just going to be “good and public.” Too many people suck. And people will try to exploit each other. Neither article explains how to prevent The Purge from happening without police even though we can acknowledge police can already Purge with impunity.

Neither article talks much about preventing the conditions that drive people to crime either. That includes economic and social conditions that drive people and enable people to steal (all types of theft), rape, injure, and murder. I assume those would be the big crimes remaining post-decriminalization.
 
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Glad we’re having the stupidest conversation in the world again. We’d all move to gated communities and ride in armored cars and carry a sidearm.
 
Glad we’re having the stupidest conversation in the world again. We’d all move to gated communities and ride in armored cars and carry a sidearm.

We are doing that now even with police so clearly cops aren’t working. People don’t feel safe, carry guns, and hire their own private security AND police abuse their power and kill people.
 
Glad we’re having the stupidest conversation in the world again. We’d all move to gated communities and ride in armored cars and carry a sidearm.

I’m sure people that are the victims of state violence think it’s the stupidest conversation in the world.
 
Abolishing the police or jails is totally moronic. Having more oversight and less people in jail is legitimate goal.
 
“Abolishing slavery is totally moronic. Having more oversight and less slaves is a legitimate goal.”

Because you disagree with something does not make it moronic. Michelle Alexander, author of The New Jim Crow, is an abolitionist. James Forman Jr., law professor at Yale and author of Locking Up Our Own, is an abolitionist. You can read about Ruth Wilson Gilmore in the link on the previous page. Presumably you would call them morons or their ideas moronic.
 
It's not all like abolishing slavery. Slavery could never be fixed. There is no middle ground or 80% ground.

The concept that we get rid of police and all jails is a pipe dream that has no basis in reality. Man is nowhere near evolved enough not to have police or prisons in a society of 330,000,000.
 
“Abolishing slavery is totally moronic. Having more oversight and less slaves is a legitimate goal.”

Because you disagree with something does not make it moronic. Michelle Alexander, author of The New Jim Crow, is an abolitionist. James Forman Jr., law professor at Yale and author of Locking Up Our Own, is an abolitionist. You can read about Ruth Wilson Gilmore in the link on the previous page. Presumably you would call them morons or their ideas moronic.

Slavery was never really abolished.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
 
Abolitionists lived in states, by and large, where slavery had been abolished. If half of the US gets rid of police maybe we'll have a real debate on our hands.
 
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