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The Conservative Case Against the Suburbs

I thought everyone knew that Fayettenam, Columbia, and Macon were the three biggest shitholes in the southeast*.



*not including the entire state of Florida

Let's not leave out Wrangor country.
 
I thought his district had choice.

Either way, he has balls. Move away from established infrastructure to get away from Those People. Bitch about paying taxes for new infrastructure.

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakewatch/itb-vs-otb

But Outside the Beltine, or OTB, topped the ITB when it comes to parks, streets, stormwater and public utilities with the city spending $3.50 outside the Beltline for every $1 that's spent inside, according to TrianglePolitics calculations.

OOOOOOOPPPSSS
 

What prompted the Inner vs. Outer comparison? Several Raleigh city council members, including Mayor Charles Meeker, heard from voters while on the campaign trail this fall who kept asking if the city was spending more downtown than out in people’s neighborhoods, Allen said.

So the politicians break out this data and say "see? see? look how much we're spending in your sprawly neighborhood!"

that is precisely the wrong response. The correct response is to show them how many tax dollars per acre are generated by "people's neighborhoods" vs a block of downtown. That data will show that an acre of downtown produces many, many times the tax dollars of an acre of single family neighborhood OTB. And yet I guarantee that on a per acre basis, the city is spending just as much, and probably more, on providing streets and services OTB.

Invest in the places that will return the most ROI to the taxpayer. If people want to live on an acre OTB, fine, but price their tax load accordingly instead of allowing them to leach on the taxes paid by ITB business owners.
 
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakewatch/itb-vs-otb

But Outside the Beltine, or OTB, topped the ITB when it comes to parks, streets, stormwater and public utilities with the city spending $3.50 outside the Beltline for every $1 that's spent inside, according to TrianglePolitics calculations.

OOOOOOOPPPSSS

The surface area OTB is a great majority of the county so it stands to reason---not to mention middle school geometry---that it would likewise receive an increased amount of funding. #nosat
 
The linked article isn't about the county. Keep up

Then what does the "Wake" refer to in the "Wakewatch" title of the blog? My article talked about the county raising taxes. If you respond off-topic, that's on you, champ.
 
I thought everyone knew that Fayettenam, Columbia, and Macon were the three biggest shitholes in the southeast*.



*not including the entire state of Florida

Jacksonville, NC is a WAAAAAYYYYYYYY bigger shithole than Fayettenam. All that Special Operations $$$$$$$$ has turned Fayetteville around quite a lot since 2001. As far as military towns go, it's one of the better ones now.
 
Tuffalo's article is very much on point for this thread. In Raleigh city limits, most of the stuff OTB is essentially suburbia, although technically a suburb is a separate municipality that orbits a larger city. building out sprawling infrastructure OTB, and then discovering that services necessary to support that infrastructure > tax dollars generated by it, is the essential conservative argument against the suburbs.
 
Tuffalo's article is very much on point for this thread. In Raleigh city limits, most of the stuff OTB is essentially suburbia, although technically a suburb is a separate municipality that orbits a larger city. building out sprawling infrastructure OTB, and then discovering that services necessary to support that infrastructure > tax dollars generated by it, is the essential conservative argument against the suburbs.

Why do you all believe that people leave poorly run cities? Spontaneous mass migration? You see no evidence that people with resources vote with their feet against inefficiently run, unresponsive government? Is this like voter fraud, where we all take an oath to swear it never happens? Help me see what your feelings have led you to believe in this instance.
 
Have you been to Raleigh? The whole place is like the suburbs. The greatest population densities are some dorm at NC State and Central Prison.
 
Define "poorly run".

Is Raleigh "poorly run"? If so, people are not showing it when they "vote with their feet". There's been a 43% growth in Raleigh's population since 2001. http://www.raleighnc.gov/government/content/PlanDev/Articles/LongRange/RaleighDemographics.html

A great deal of it from transplants from Northern cities that unions and local government have already made fine work of. Raleigh is better run than the Detroits, Clevelands and Pittsburghs of the world. On that, we can agree.
 
Pittsburgh is actually an interesting case study. When their big industries left, the city refocused its energy, revitalized its downtown, and reinvented itself as a tech and tourism hub. Their finances are on the upswing and they've been successful at starting to address their legacy pension issues.

A big part of the Pittsburgh story is smart investment of taxpayer dollars into the urban core.
 
Have you been to Raleigh? The whole place is like the suburbs. The greatest population densities are some dorm at NC State and Central Prison.

One is a penal facility full of proven derelicts, ne'erdowells and angry individuals on their last societal chance, and the other is a prison.
 
Pittsburgh is actually an interesting case study. When their big industries left, the city refocused its energy, revitalized its downtown, and reinvented itself as a tech and tourism hub. Their finances are on the upswing and they've been successful at starting to address their legacy pension issues.

A big part of the Pittsburgh story is smart investment of taxpayer dollars into the urban core.

Also had a split-rate property tax. #Georgism
 
What happens when upscale, suburban-type homes actually have to pay 100% of the direct costs of paving their leafy suburban roads? They realize it's completely unaffordable without access to the property taxes spun off by other residents, so they opt to keep gravel.
 
What happens when upscale, suburban-type homes actually have to pay 100% of the direct costs of paving their leafy suburban roads? They realize it's completely unaffordable without access to the property taxes spun off by other residents, so they opt to keep gravel.

Man suburbanites are donks. Also worth noting that, aside from the ills of the taxes required for infrastructure maintenance, these subdivisions' homes will all age and fall into disrepair at like the same time. Woof.
 
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