RChildress107
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The only program to finish each of the last 10 years in the top 20 is Kansas. I don't think anyone expects us to be Kansas.
Um who gives a fuck what happened in 1936 or 1953. Our recruits parents weren't even alive then./QUOTE]
Yes, because I wrote this to dissuade potential recruits.
IIRC, Sagarin did a ranking of all D1 basketball programs three or four years ago. He went back to 1939 when the NCAA tournament began and ranked teams for ten year periods and since 1939. We were in the top 20 for 1990-99 and 2000-09. Our overall rank for the 70 year period was 39 (IIRC), which today means you are a strong NCAA bubble team. I suppose there are some former Bzdelick supporters who are enjoying the present difficulties of the basketball team in hopes of saying "I told you so". Others probably know much less about CBB than they think they know and others have little patience and like to complain. I had hoped for a better start to the year and thought we could win 16-17 games. We still might. I suspect my appraisal of returning talent was too optimistic or I was so tired of watching the ineptitude of the past four years that wish full thinking took over. Who cares? Danny Manning has his work cut out for him. He wasn't my first choice as a replacement but I like his resume and believe he will return WFU BB to a competitive level of the 20 years preceding our prior coach. He needs time. He needs the support and patience of Demon Deacon BB fans. He might be the gem we all wish for but still needs a few cuts and more polishing to show his brilliance. Time will tell.
Call me LOWF if you want, but if your expectation is the NCAAT 4 out of every 5 years, you're probably gonna be a bit disappointed. That's a nice goal, but a more realistic expectation would be 2 or 3 every 5 years.
39th or Top 40ish is certainly good enough for me, and it seems more than reasonable as a year to year baseline.
Call me LOWF if you want, but if your expectation is the NCAAT 4 out of every 5 years, you're probably gonna be a bit disappointed. That's a nice goal, but a more realistic expectation would be 2 or 3 every 5 years. With stability over the long-term and the right coach, perhaps we'll get back to that 14/20 peak.
I think this year was a throw away year from the start.. with the lack of talent on this team and a new coach, it is hard to imagine anyway we would have a winning record.. even coach k couldnt do shit with this talent.. now in 2 years and 2 good recruiting classes with actual nationally ranked players in the top 100.. we will be a better team with a better coach.. those who are actually thinking buzz is a better coach is ridiculous
So a reasonable expectation of our year to year baseline is squarely on the right side of the bubble. Yet we can only expect to make the tournament 2 out of every 5 years? I'm guessing Math wasn't your favorite subject in school.
The pre-Odom fans definitely have a very low opinion on Wake Forest as a basketball school, that is for sure.
Given how far our program had fallen, I actually think we did well to hire Manning. I think it is important for us to have a coach who knows how a winning program is managed from recruiting to running practices to actual game management. Manning's experience at Kansas both as player and coach will pay big dividends for us if we will give him time to build his own program and to build it his way.
You're ranking Danny Manning 3rd or is this just a random listing not in any particular order.
Um who gives a fuck what happened in 1936 or 1953. Our recruits parents weren't even alive then.
It's ok to admit you are wrong. The run from 91-2010 (20 seasons) is far more relevant to how successful our program can be than what happened in the 1960's and 70's. If you can't see that then there's no point in really having this conversation.
During those 20 years we were by any measure a top 25 program. Does this mean we will be in the top 25 every single year? No of course not. There are maybe 4 programs that can expect to never slip out on occasion.
It does mean that 4 out of every 5 years we should expect to make the tournament (we went to 14 out of 20 prior to bz) and 2 or 3 out of every 5 years we should finish as a top 20 team (8 out of 20) with a chance to contend for a Final Four once out of every 5 years (5-6 out of 20 depending on how you feel about certain teams).
I think you are confusing the expectation to be a top 20 program (something we were during the 20 years prior to bz) with the expectation to be in the top 20 every year (something maybe 5 programs have accomplished consistently over the last decade)
:werd: This discussion has been painful. The numbers overwhelmingly back up what I've said.
Given how far our program had fallen, I actually think we did well to hire Manning. I think it is important for us to have a coach who knows how a winning program is managed from recruiting to running practices to actual game management. Manning's experience at Kansas both as player and coach will pay big dividends for us if we will give him time to build his own program and to build it his way.