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Thread: Danny Manning Credibility Watch

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnydeac View Post
    I think he gets 2 more years whether the fan base likes it or not. After the 2019-2020 season if Wake is still not a tournament team, then he's gone.

    If he makes the post season next year and gets at least to the second round the next, then Wellman will look at that as progress and that will probably buy DM 4 more years.
    I tend to agree with this. Next year (2018-19) would have to be a complete disaster for him to get fired. More likely he'd get a chance at 2019-20 before being shown the door.

    I still have hope, though. He'll have a stable of "his" players next year... Maybe we'll see some defense and more success (wins).

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    I think starting next season we should be a tournament team every year because I believe Danny will keep up the recruiting he has shown the last two classes and move forward with that - so this question is hypothetical (just want to see how the fan base feels):

    What happens if Danny and the team make the tournament next year, make it to second round or sweet sixteen, then Hoard leaves, Bryant graduates (if he isnt gone already), Sarr is good enough to make the jump to the league, etc. and that results in not making the tournament the following year? How will the fan base feel about Danny then?

    Disclaimers: 1. this is a hypothetical, so don't take me saying "sweet sixteen" as me saying I believe we will make the sweet sixteen. 2. Hoard is ranked 25-30 in the class of 2018, so there's a very, very good likelihood we return both he and Sarr and only lose Crawford after next year. Again, it's just a part of the hypothetical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnydeac View Post
    I think he gets 2 more years whether the fan base likes it or not. After the 2019-2020 season if Wake is still not a tournament team, then he's gone.

    If he makes the post season next year and gets at least to the second round the next, then Wellman will look at that as progress and that will probably buy DM 4 more years.
    Every one would look at this as progress and no one would be disappointed if he got another extension after that. Most frustrated fans, however, think it is highly unlikely he accomplishes any of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlotteDeac1 View Post
    I think starting next season we should be a tournament team every year because I believe Danny will keep up the recruiting he has shown the last two classes and move forward with that - so this question is hypothetical (just want to see how the fan base feels):

    What happens if Danny and the team make the tournament next year, make it to second round or sweet sixteen, then Hoard leaves, Bryant graduates (if he isnt gone already), Sarr is good enough to make the jump to the league, etc. and that results in not making the tournament the following year? How will the fan base feel about Danny then?

    Disclaimers: 1. this is a hypothetical, so don't take me saying "sweet sixteen" as me saying I believe we will make the sweet sixteen. 2. Hoard is ranked 25-30 in the class of 2018, so there's a very, very good likelihood we return both he and Sarr and only lose Crawford after next year. Again, it's just a part of the hypothetical.
    In your scenario, I think fans would be disappointed in "underachieving" with that group and really upset that it was only one year of "success." So we'd kind of be back to where we are right now... Only with a slightly higher high in the rear view. I think my personal opinion would be based on how successful he'd been in recruiting for 2019 and 2020.

    But you probably aren't asking me since we seem to feel similarly about this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeacsATS View Post
    In your scenario, I think fans would be disappointed in "underachieving" with that group and really upset that it was only one year of "success." So we'd kind of be back to where we are right now... Only with a slightly higher high in the rear view. I think my personal opinion would be based on how successful he'd been in recruiting for 2019 and 2020.

    But you probably aren't asking me since we seem to feel similarly about this topic.
    I'm open to hearing from anyone. I think Hoard and Sarr will be back in 2019 so hopefully it's an irrelevant question.

    Also, just watch Mucius videos for the first time in a while. While I knew he was obviously extremely talented, he seems a lot better than I remembered. His shot looks smoother and he's a crazy athlete. Hopefully he and Hoard can get some good time on the court together next year.

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    I don't know why Mucius is rated so low compared to how he looks in the mixtapes. I'm guessing it's a shaky shot or something.

    My fear is these guys come in next year and just don't improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    I don't know why Mucius is rated so low compared to how he looks in the mixtapes. I'm guessing it's a shaky shot or something.

    My fear is these guys come in next year and just don't improve.
    What do you mean by this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeacsATS View Post
    In your scenario, I think fans would be disappointed in "underachieving" with that group and really upset that it was only one year of "success." So we'd kind of be back to where we are right now... Only with a slightly higher high in the rear view. I think my personal opinion would be based on how successful he'd been in recruiting for 2019 and 2020.

    But you probably aren't asking me since we seem to feel similarly about this topic.
    This is the key to satisfaction and patience in the hypothetical as laid out. Manning is not a great coach, but if he can bring in a JC or a Jaylen Hoard in every recruiting class, we could get by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlotteDeac1 View Post
    What do you mean by this?
    That they don't get significantly better as players once they arrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    That they don't get significantly better as players once they arrive.
    I was more of asking what aspects of their game you're worried about, should've been more specific.

    All of them seem to have really high ceilings. Mucius, imparticular, has been talked about by recruiting analysts as having a ridiculously high ceiling and not being very close to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    That they don't get significantly better as players once they arrive.
    Like JC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donaldross View Post
    Weíll probably win 2 of those games. See, Iím an optimist. Like Wrangor, who has us in 2 of the next 4 Sweet 16s!
    I merely put us in the tournament, not in the sweet sixteen. If we made the sweet sixteen once in the next four years I would do backflips.

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    Just watched Montverde play. Send Manning down to get lessons. Some of the best sets and defense I have seen. Great ball movement and great team ball. We would have a much better record if we played as well as these kids

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    This season is not on Manning this season is on Dinos for backstabbing our program. If our staff knew he was thinking about leaving to go pro before he already signed the contract two weeks prior to practice starting we could have addressed our front court situation properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlotteDeac1 View Post
    I think starting next season we should be a tournament team every year because I believe Danny will keep up the recruiting he has shown the last two classes and move forward with that - so this question is hypothetical (just want to see how the fan base feels):

    What happens if Danny and the team make the tournament next year, make it to second round or sweet sixteen, then Hoard leaves, Bryant graduates (if he isnt gone already), Sarr is good enough to make the jump to the league, etc. and that results in not making the tournament the following year? How will the fan base feel about Danny then?

    Disclaimers: 1. this is a hypothetical, so don't take me saying "sweet sixteen" as me saying I believe we will make the sweet sixteen. 2. Hoard is ranked 25-30 in the class of 2018, so there's a very, very good likelihood we return both he and Sarr and only lose Crawford after next year. Again, it's just a part of the hypothetical.
    I have seen nothing to indicate this kind of success is achievable by Manning. If, however, Wake makes the sweet 16 and then falls back, that will be very good success in my eyes. It would show more than anything I have seen yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WFcatamount22 View Post
    This season is not on Manning this season is on Dinos for backstabbing our program. If our staff knew he was thinking about leaving to go pro before he already signed the contract two weeks prior to practice starting we could have addressed our front court situation properly.
    Yeah I mean CharlotteDeac1 blames our Drake loss on this. How could we have been expected to beat mighty Drake without Dinos

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    We'd have 4 more wins with Dinos on the roster and it would be a completely different season. Dinos could rebound, shoot, was crafty around the hoop later in the season, and was a leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeacDaddy View Post
    Yeah I mean CharlotteDeac1 blames our Drake loss on this. How could we have been expected to beat mighty Drake without Dinos
    I actually didnít mention the drake loss in depth because I didnít watch it. I talked specifically about GS and Liberty

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlotteDeac1 View Post
    I actually didnít mention the drake loss in depth because I didnít watch it. I talked specifically about GS and Liberty
    Yeah but you would be correct if you said it. Losing Dinos crushed this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CreamyGoodness View Post
    We'd have 4 more wins with Dinos on the roster and it would be a completely different season. Dinos could rebound, shoot, was crafty around the hoop later in the season, and was a leader.

    A Series Of Unfortunate Events: The Wake Forest Basketball Story
    Don't forget the negatives as well. Dinos was extremely slow and a poor defender. He would have taken minutes from a better defender. He also had some serious shooting slumps. I would rather have him than not but he was not all that.

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