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    Danny Manning Credibility Watch

    Well...

    The Deacs are at 4-4 with the 4 losses being the following:

    - 30 point beat down at Arkansas.
    - DM pulling his best Chris Webber imitation to lose at home to Iona.
    - The loss to Delaware State might be the worst loss in school history.... Yes, worse than Stetson.
    - Down 1 pt to Minnesota at the half turns into 12 pts down in the first 3 minutes of the second with 3 time-outs burned.

    We are 8 games in to the season and already there have been 4 fiascoes. I want to give DM the benefit of the doubt but after tonight I am putting his credibility on watch.

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    Rank our players in skill from 1 to 10.

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    The fact that he doesn't discipline DT effectively is a red flag so far. Not going to blame him for Devin's terrible attitude, personality and play, but at least bench the kid when he's being an idiot.

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    DT didn't play for the last 8:12 for his tech. Is that not a form of discipline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuck Your Couch View Post
    DT didn't play for the last 8:12 for his tech. Is that not a form of discipline?
    Uh, this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuck Your Couch View Post
    Rank our players in skill from 1 to 10.
    Not sure RJ would like us doing this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuck Your Couch View Post
    DT didn't play for the last 8:12 for his tech. Is that not a form of discipline?
    My mistake, I honestly thought he subbed back in a few minutes later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MACdeac View Post
    The fact that he doesn't discipline DT effectively is a red flag so far. Not going to blame him for Devin's terrible attitude, personality and play, but at least bench the kid when he's being an idiot.
    I'm pretty sure Coach Manning disciplined DT tonight after he picked-up another technical. Wasn't DT benched for the remainder of the game? What constitutes "effective" discipline? Is there more effective discipline than a reduction in PT?

    -22

    ETA: This whole thread is a joke and should be deleted.

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    I thought we went into the half with a fair chance of possibly winning even with the DT bad attitude. Two quick 3's that were not contested and a few timeouts later, it is a different game

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    Guys, Minnesota was clearly the better team even in the first half tonight. We saw nothing tonight that we didn't already know. That we were within one point was a slight miracle.

    A couple observations as I watched most of a Wake game tonight for the first time in since maybe Buzzdick's first year, but probably more like Dino's last year...

    I am heartened that DM appears to have picked up serviceable players on short notice that are getting serious minutes their freshmen years. I see promise in the 3 freshman, even if the Greek Deac is a 7 footer with a vertical of about one inch. After Devin, they appear to be about all we have apart from the occasional flash from CMM. I feel somewhat optimistic that we may look like a decent team about midway through next season, but this season is obviously not going to tell us much apart from how the young guys develop. We will get some conference wins on account of the ACC sucking balls, but not many. Certainly more than 1 win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfumike02 View Post
    Uh, this.
    Yeah, lol

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    Everybody keeps talking about manning picking up serviceable "playas" who are starting but how much of that is a self fulfilling prophecy?

    Shocking that Meh-nning favors his own!!

    I wouldn't waste too much time sucking manning's dick over that.


    MEH

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatLeadCommie View Post
    Guys, Minnesota was clearly the better team even in the first half tonight. We saw nothing tonight that we didn't already know. That we were within one point was a slight miracle.

    A couple observations as I watched most of a Wake game tonight for the first time in since maybe Buzzdick's first year, but probably more like Dino's last year...

    I am heartened that DM appears to have picked up serviceable players on short notice that are getting serious minutes their freshmen years. I see promise in the 3 freshman, even if the Greek Deac is a 7 footer with a vertical of about one inch. After Devin, they appear to be about all we have apart from the occasional flash from CMM. I feel somewhat optimistic that we may look like a decent team about midway through next season, but this season is obviously not going to tell us much apart from how the young guys develop. We will get some conference wins on account of the ACC sucking balls, but not many. Certainly more than 1 win.
    I think we can win Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech at home. A toss-up with Clemson and FSU on the road. This Saturday could get ugly though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Ruskin View Post
    Everybody keeps talking about manning picking up serviceable "playas" who are starting but how much of that is a self fulfilling prophecy?

    Shocking that Meh-nning favors his own!!

    I wouldn't waste too much time sucking manning's dick over that.

    MEH
    It's pretty clear that they're better than what he has to work with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatLeadCommie View Post
    It's pretty clear that they're better than what he has to work with.
    That doesn't refute my argument

    All we see is what's on the court

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Ruskin View Post
    Everybody keeps talking about manning picking up serviceable "playas" who are starting but how much of that is a self fulfilling prophecy?

    Shocking that Meh-nning favors his own!!

    I wouldn't waste too much time sucking manning's dick over that.


    MEH
    I mean Madison, Miles, and Rountree combined for 70 minutes tonight. Those 3 and McClinton are all playing significant minutes. Hard to argue that those 4 are any better than the 4 Manning brought in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RChildress107 View Post
    I mean Madison, Miles, and Rountree combined for 70 minutes tonight. Those 3 and McClinton are all playing significant minutes. Hard to argue that those 4 are any better than the 4 Manning brought in.
    Manning is terrible.

    You guys realize that buzz's first 8 games weren't this bad?

    BRING. BACK. BUZZ.
    Last edited by marquee moon; 12-03-2014 at 01:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Ruskin View Post
    That doesn't refute my argument

    All we see is what's on the court
    Per 40 minute numbers:

    Manning additions:

    Mitoglou: 18 pts, 12.3 rebounds, 3 blocks, 38% shooting
    Leonard: 16.6 pts, 8.6 rebounds, 49% shooting
    Hudson: 13.9 pts, 8.5 rebounds, 2 stls, 37.8% shooting
    Wilbekin: 12.8 pts, 3 stls, 44% 3P shooting, 1.82 A/TO

    4 best returning options (non CMM, Devin division)

    Madison: 13.2 pts, 1.6 stls, 56% shooting, .86 A/TO
    Miles: 11.4 pts, 5 rebounds, 9 TO's, 28.6% shooting
    Aaron: 11.3 pts, 7.8 rebounds, 53% shooting
    McClinton: 8.4 pts, 8.4 rebounds, 40% shooting

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Ruskin View Post
    Manning is terrible.

    You guys realize that buzz's first 8 games weren't this bad?

    BRING. BACK. BUZZ.
    Through 8 games:

    2010-2011: 5-3, +2.75, Average Opponent Ranking: 210.6

    2014-15: 4-4, +6, Average Opponent Ranking: 188.6

    If you factor in two road games (vs. one neutral in 2010) and the difference in schedule, Manning's first team has been about 4.5 points better over 8 games than the 2010 team was over its first 8 games.

    For reference, 4.5 points per game is roughly the difference between this year's Wake team (122 Kenpom after tonight) and Winthrop (179).

    Or better yet the difference between our 2009 team and our 2010 team.

    Let me know when we drop below 200 in kenpom or only win 3 of our next 24 games.


    Just to clarify the talent gap:

    average ESPN positional ranking of scholarship players available in 2010-11: 17.3

    average ESPN positional ranking of scholarship players available in 2014-15: 45.36*


    *Three of our freshman were not ranked at their position (or at all) so I assigned them the positional rank of Wilbekin (#63).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RChildress107 View Post
    Per 40 minute numbers:

    Manning additions:

    Mitoglou: 18 pts, 12.3 rebounds, 3 blocks, 38% shooting
    Leonard: 16.6 pts, 8.6 rebounds, 49% shooting
    Hudson: 13.9 pts, 8.5 rebounds, 2 stls, 37.8% shooting
    Wilbekin: 12.8 pts, 3 stls, 44% 3P shooting, 1.82 A/TO

    4 best returning options (non CMM, Devin division)

    Madison: 13.2 pts, 1.6 stls, 56% shooting, .86 A/TO
    Miles: 11.4 pts, 5 rebounds, 9 TO's, 28.6% shooting
    Aaron: 11.3 pts, 7.8 rebounds, 53% shooting
    McClinton: 8.4 pts, 8.4 rebounds, 40% shooting
    Translation

    Bring back buzz

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