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Miles Overton to Transfer from Wake Forest

Unless they changed the rule recently, mid-season transfers don't get to save the year, (assuming they played the first semester of the year they transferred). So Ovaltine will only get a year and a half at his new school, from what I understand.
 
There's just no way that he loses a full season of eligibility because he chose to transfer. Doesn't make sense.

IAppreciateIt said:
Unless they changed the rule recently, mid-season transfers don't get to save the year, (assuming they played the first semester of the year they transferred). So Ovaltine will only get a year and a half at his new school, from what I understand.
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Can't be true. If he transferred at the end of this season, he would sit out all next year and then have 2 left. In your scenario he is punished by leaving mid-season as opposed to waiting.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
Unless they changed the rule recently, mid-season transfers don't get to save the year, (assuming they played the first semester of the year they transferred). So Ovaltine will only get a year and a half at his new school, from what I understand.
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You are wrong about this. He will have 2.5 years of eligibility.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
Unless they changed the rule recently, mid-season transfers don't get to save the year, (assuming they played the first semester of the year they transferred). So Ovaltine will only get a year and a half at his new school, from what I understand.
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Incorrect. He will have used 1.5 years of eligibility of his 4, that leaves 2.5 years left. He has 5 years to complete those 4 years of eligibility, so Spring 2016, Fall and Spring of 2017 and 2018 will be his final 5 semesters eligible to play.

He wouldn't be adding a year of eligibility by playing in only the spring semester of 2016 because that coupled with this fall semester 2015 would equal his 2nd year of total eligibility.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
Unless they changed the rule recently, mid-season transfers don't get to save the year, (assuming they played the first semester of the year they transferred). So Ovaltine will only get a year and a half at his new school, from what I understand.
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This might be the case when you transfer mid year of freshman year.
 
Older article, but this is what I was talking about: http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2005-12-20/mid-year-transfers-make-no-sense

"Dowell has decided to transfer at the semester break and join another program in the spring. Which program has not yet been made public. What is certain, though, is Dowell willingly sacrificed about 25 percent of his college basketball career. For what, exactly?

When Dowell resumes playing, perhaps somewhere closer to his home (Houston?), he will be in the second semester of his junior season. Most teams play seven to 10 games before the semester break, depending on whether they are competing in early season exempt tournaments. So if a season lasts roughly 30 games, he's tossed away the last 20 of this year and the first 10 of next. That's a whole year wasted.

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No one knows how many athletes get into this process and then discover that no, they do not get to pick up where they left off -- that they can't play the first several games of their sophomore season in one place and the remainder at their new school. Once they transfer, that season is spent. "
 
I believe Overton will have 2.5 years. He can start his red shirt next semester, continue it the following fall and thereby satisfy the academic year in residence qualification without losing a year of eligibility. Since he has played 1.5 years, he will have 2.5 remaining for his new school.

I couldn't find the redshirt info on NCAA.com but here is there pamplet on transferring in case anyone wants to take a look.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/TGONLINE2012.pdf

I'll look for the redshirt rules, but that is how it was 6 years ago. You do have to establish a year residency taking a full course load at the school you are transferring or you will not be eligible, but I do believe you can redshirt the spring then fall semester to retain that year of eligibility.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D115.pdf

There is the full handbook. Best I can see it explained you have 10 semesters to complete your eligibility. So it seems to be counted by semester no by year. Therefore that explains why you can split up your redshirt. You are still completing your eligiblity in 10 semesters and you are only participating in 8 semesters.
 
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IAppreciateIt said:
Older article, but this is what I was talking about: http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2005-12-20/mid-year-transfers-make-no-sense

"Dowell has decided to transfer at the semester break and join another program in the spring. Which program has not yet been made public. What is certain, though, is Dowell willingly sacrificed about 25 percent of his college basketball career. For what, exactly?

When Dowell resumes playing, perhaps somewhere closer to his home (Houston?), he will be in the second semester of his junior season. Most teams play seven to 10 games before the semester break, depending on whether they are competing in early season exempt tournaments. So if a season lasts roughly 30 games, he's tossed away the last 20 of this year and the first 10 of next. That's a whole year wasted.

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No one knows how many athletes get into this process and then discover that no, they do not get to pick up where they left off -- that they can't play the first several games of their sophomore season in one place and the remainder at their new school. Once they transfer, that season is spent. "
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I've never heard of anything like that, but it seems like he didn't have enough credits.
 
PhDeac said:
This roster has maybe 4 average ACC players. Three are potential average ACC players.
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Yeah, I think we have several average ACC players. Our problem is our extreme lack of average ACC starters. I view Devin as modestly above average for starters.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
Older article, but this is what I was talking about: http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2005-12-20/mid-year-transfers-make-no-sense

"Dowell has decided to transfer at the semester break and join another program in the spring. Which program has not yet been made public. What is certain, though, is Dowell willingly sacrificed about 25 percent of his college basketball career. For what, exactly?

When Dowell resumes playing, perhaps somewhere closer to his home (Houston?), he will be in the second semester of his junior season. Most teams play seven to 10 games before the semester break, depending on whether they are competing in early season exempt tournaments. So if a season lasts roughly 30 games, he's tossed away the last 20 of this year and the first 10 of next. That's a whole year wasted.

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No one knows how many athletes get into this process and then discover that no, they do not get to pick up where they left off -- that they can't play the first several games of their sophomore season in one place and the remainder at their new school. Once they transfer, that season is spent. "
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Older article indeed, it's 9 years old. I'm not sure when the 5 years to play 4 rule was instituted or liberalized but I found one reference to the current rule in 2007. I guess "recently" is a relative term.
 
Luke Fischer transferred from Indiana to Marquette mid-season and will lose one year of eligibility for transferring mid-season. http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/luke_fischer_881676.html


"More than likely, Fischer will have five semesters of eligibility left in his career, the second half of next season and the following two years. There have been cases where players received a full year of eligibility after transferring, but unless Crean was abusing him at Indiana, it’s not going to happen."

George Marshall transferred from Wisconsin to ND State as a sophomore, and will only have 3 semesters at his new school. http://www.kdlt.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32631&Itemid=58

Hard to find many mid-season transfers who actually played the first semester before transferring, but Devoe Joseph, Ferrakohn Hall and Gary Franklin all did so recently and only played in four seasons:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/41567/devoe-joseph
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/45580/ferrakohn-hall
www.baylorbears.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/gary_franklin_741563.html

Pretty sure unless Overton finds some waiver, he'll only get to play 3 semesters at his new school.
 
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IAppreciateIt said:
Luke Fischer transferred from Indiana to Marquette mid-season and will lose one year of eligibility for transferring mid-season. http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/luke_fischer_881676.html

"Fischer will not be eligible to play until December of 2014, once Marquette posts first semester grades. He will be able to practice and live with the team, but won’t be able to fly with the team to away games until he becomes eligible in December.

More than likely, Fischer will have five semesters of eligibility left in his career, the second half of next season and the following two years. There have been cases where players received a full year of eligibility after transferring, but unless Crean was abusing him at Indiana, it’s not going to happen."

George Marshall transferred from Wisconsin to ND State as a sophomore, and will only have 3 semesters at his new school. http://www.kdlt.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32631&Itemid=58

Hard to find many mid-season transfers who actually played the first semester before transferring, but Devoe Joseph and Ferrakohn Hall both did so recently and only played in four seasons:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/41567/devoe-joseph
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/45580/ferrakohn-hall


Pretty sure unless Overton finds some waiver, he'll only get 5 semesters at his new school.
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I think you're right. The NCAA does not look at eligibility in semesters, but seasons. The semesters are only important in the "sitting out a year" equals 2 semesters. By playing this season, Miles has used his second year of eligibility.
 
Look at the big brain on Apetit.
 
Yeah I thought this was two different issues. When you can play versus how many seasons.

I'm no expert, but I would assume the minute he played a game he burned a year of eligibility, just like burning a redshirt. It's not broken up by semester. You can't redshirt half a season then play half of another.

There are more complex rules about transfers being in class for a year prior to playing. That would affect the timing of when he could start, but not his overall years of play.

The example given earlier of Murphy, the Duke transfer, is a good one. He redshirted, played a year at Duke, then played a couple games and decided to transfer. He's listed as a junior this year and tried to get a waiver from the NCAA to be allowed to play immediately. He's not playing, so I assume it was denied, and he'll have the rest of this year and one more year.

Overton could transfer and be eligible to play in the 2nd half of next year - but he may choose not to do so and burn his year of eligibility. He didn't redshirt, so he could take all of next year off then play two full seasons, or he could play a half season next year and one more.

He'd have to get a hardship or medical waiver to change any of that I'd assume.
 
Sorry to see it, but he isn't earning much PT on a not very good team, and the future for his PT doesn't look as though it will improve. So,...... Best wishes.
 
I thought you were wrong Apetit, but after some research, seems you are right. My apologies. However, Miles could still preserve his season of eligibility by claiming a medical redshirt, since we are in the first half of the season and he has not played in 30% of the seasons games yet. He would just have to "sustain" a season ending injury now (doesn't have to be a basketball related injury).
 
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