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Ongoing US GOP Debacle Thread: Seditious Republicans march toward authoritarianism

MHBDemon said:
It's fine if you want to make this argument, but make it. Instead we get all this bullshit. First you argue that some shit study on political correctness proves your politics being more representative of the common man than mine. When I say "well the study didn't say that," you move to an argument about strategy. That argument then morphs into which strategy best fits a Patton quote.

Between DSA and Democratic machine which strategy is the fixed fortification?
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"shitty study"

i've been consistent that i believe the far left and right's media presence FAR exceeds their existence in the real world. that's all i argued - that there are far, far more ITCs than lectros or MHBD's

and as far as strategy, you keep telling us how flexible the D strategy is, so you answered your own question
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
To start, you're dodging the point - that "political correctness" activists =/= Bernie-Bro socialists. I only remember one presidential candidate stating "breaking up the big banks won't end racism". The "liberal activists" mentioned in that article, as a fringe minority, are far more aligned with your level of vapid, surface level liberalism, than mine.

You motherfuckers are more concerned with celebrity cultural appropriation and Trumps tweets than you are about actual policy. You shrug when a corporation blackmails a city council out of raising a corporate tax for homeless shelters. What about the "20 million dollar small businesses!?" you ask. That's the level of liberal you are, and America despises you for it.
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ha, no. that's my point. you don't know what we're concerned with. you think that's what "centrists" are concerned with b/c that's what gives you rage boners at your DSA circle jerk meetings. People who do care about abortion rights and equal pay and immigration crackdowns don't care about celebrity cultural appropriation (or cultural appropriation in general) when they're figuring out how to buy diapers and get their cars fixed during business hours.

you so frequently assign all these values on left leaning adults that it's so mind mindbogglingly out of touch it's hard to even reconcile as is with someone vocally supporting trump

and i ask about 'small businesses' b/c I run one, so when when someone tells me I should be considered the same as Amazon i scratch my head because I'm trying to figure out how that makes sense. If you despise me for being a cynical, skeptical civic participant , that's on you dipshit.
 
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ImTheCaptain said:
"shitty study"

i've been consistent that i believe the far left and right's media presence FAR exceeds their existence in the real world. that's all i argued - that there are far, far more ITCs than lectros or MHBD's

and as far as strategy, you keep telling us how flexible the D strategy is, so you answered your own question
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This is a dumb argument.

"and as far as strategy, you keep telling us how flexible the D strategy is, so you answered your own question"

Your method of argumentation is infuriating. Which strategy represents the fixed fortification?
 
MHBDemon said:
This is a dumb argument.

"and as far as strategy, you keep telling us how flexible the D strategy is, so you answered your own question"

Your method of argumentation is infuriating. Which strategy represents the fixed fortification?
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why is that a dumb argument?

and i think it's clear I think the DSA's rigid rejection of mainline left politics is more 'fixed' than that of the traditional big-tent Democratic party
 
ImTheCaptain said:
"shitty study"

i've been consistent that i believe the far left and right's media presence FAR exceeds their existence in the real world. that's all i argued - that there are far, far more ITCs than lectros or MHBD's

and as far as strategy, you keep telling us how flexible the D strategy is, so you answered your own question
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That assumes people's political orientation is static. That's clearly not the case. If Progressive politics had a more prominent voice, more people who consider themselves moderate would listen and reconsider their position.
 
you guys realize that the real, physical elections don't always actually represent what americans believe/tell pollsters, right? should we chase polls or an amalgamation of think pieces?
 
PhDeac said:
That assumes people's political orientation is static. That's clearly not the case. If Progressive politics had a more prominent voice, more people who consider themselves moderate would listen and reconsider their position.
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i agree with the latter half of that statement. I think the fact is that the 'static' is 'static in the waffle zone' with maybe a few no-go's like abortion.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
i agree with the latter half of that statement. I think the fact is that the 'static' is 'static in the waffle zone' with maybe a few no-go's like abortion.
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Not sure what that means. If it means people have a small set of core beliefs and are pretty malleable about the rest, I agree.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
why is that a dumb argument?

and i think it's clear I think the DSA's rigid rejection of mainline left politics is more 'fixed' than that of the traditional big-tent Democratic party
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Because media presence is a bad way to measure who is more representative of the common american.

A rejection of traditional politics as "fixed." Got it. You are also characterizing the strategy as a "rigid rejection of mainline left politics" when that is a very inaccurate assessment of DSA.
 
MHBDemon said:
Because media presence is a bad way to measure who is more representative of the common american.

A rejection of traditional politics as "fixed." Got it. You are also characterizing the strategy as a "rigid rejection of mainline left politics" when that is a very inaccurate assessment of DSA.
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then what is the strategy
 
PhDeac said:
Not sure what that means. If it means people have a small set of core beliefs and are pretty malleable about the rest, I agree.
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It's almost as if the DSA should try to reach people that traditional parties have not. But that strategy, according to ITC, is a fixed fortification.
 
MHBDemon said:
It's almost as if the DSA should try to reach people that traditional parties have not. But that strategy, according to ITC, is a fixed fortification.
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i dont' see how you can claim the DSA's positions are more flexible than traditional Democrats unless you want to take back that invective you've been hurling at me all afternoon
 
MHBDemon said:
It's almost as if the DSA should try to reach people that traditional parties have not. But that strategy, according to ITC, is a fixed fortification.
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Or the DSA should try to reach everybody and not write people off.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
i dont' see how you can claim the DSA's positions are more flexible than traditional Democrats unless you want to take back that invective you've been hurling at me all afternoon
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What are you crying foul about?

How can you claim that literally ANY OTHER STRATEGY is less flexible/fixed than "access to affordable healthcare" and "let's run Joe Biden?"
 
PhDeac said:
Or the DSA should try to reach everybody and not write people off.
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Ok. That sounds good. But you also have a liberal establishment on these boards that frequently writes off the dumb "rubes." So the question is then "which party or movement is NOT writing people off?"
 
MHBDemon said:
Ok. That sounds good. But you also have a liberal establishment on these boards that frequently writes off the dumb "rubes." So the question is then "which party or movement is NOT writing people off?"
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To be clear, the rubes written off on these boards are the Cletus's who jerk it to stand your ground laws and black people being dragged behind trucks -- good luck with them. Plenty of other people besides those rubes you can reach out to and tell not to vote because principle.
 
Shooshmoo said:
To be clear, the rubes written off on these boards are the Cletus's who jerk it to stand your ground laws and black people being dragged behind trucks -- good luck with them. Plenty of other people besides those rubes you can reach out to and tell not to vote because principle.
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To be clear, others have expanded the rube classification. Regardless, my point still stands that ITC/PH/you should have to explain why you think our strategy to reach disaffected voters is worse or more rigid than traditional democratic politics.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
ha, no. that's my point. you don't know what we're concerned with. you think that's what "centrists" are concerned with
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My estimation of your concerns is based on the platform and actions of your preferred politicians.
ImTheCaptain said:
People who do care about abortion rights and equal pay and immigration crackdowns don't care about celebrity cultural appropriation
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Again, your politicians define your platform. You can talk whatever shit on a message board. Who was it that sold out DACA to Mitch McConnel because they were scared of a government shut down? When the rubber hits the road, what do they actually stand for? Why does your pragmatism always show as cowardice deceit, and corruption?

ImTheCaptain said:
you so frequently assign all these values on left leaning adults that it's so mind mindbogglingly out of touch it's hard to even reconcile as is with someone vocally supporting trump
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"Left leaning" what the fuck does that even mean? It sounds like white college grad yuppies who are are liberal as hell until the check comes.

ImTheCaptain said:
and i ask about 'small businesses' b/c I run one, so when when someone tells me I should be considered the same as Amazon i scratch my head because I'm trying to figure out how that makes sense.
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Am I supposed to be moved that you own a business? That excuses you for being a corporate shill? The old guy twisting pretzels at the mall is probably a business owner too. No one is threatening to tax him at the same rate as Amazon. I have no idea how profitable your business is, but I do know that your business is not an excuse for you to be such preposterous corporate shill in regards to a relatively small percentage tax increase.

ImTheCaptain said:
If you despise me for being a cynical, skeptical civic participant , that's on you dipshit.
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Eh. Congrats on being a civic participant, I guess.
 
I enjoy that we have two highly educated white people telling everyone the way things should be and if you don’t agree with them then get fucked, I say this as a Warren minority.
 
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