BarcaDeac
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Evangelicals?
HA, who am I kidding?
They were probably the highest bidders
Evangelicals?
HA, who am I kidding?
They were probably the highest bidders
They were probably the highest bidders
Seems like 21 + democrats would have been enough for removal by impeachment. That actual makes those 21 probably worse than the ones that are straight up no apology Trump bootlickers.
Say Trump was removed and Pence installed. Maybe Pence has a semi-coherent COVID response (I'm skeptical due to his handling of an HIV outbreak in Indiana, but whatever) and deaths are let's say half of what they currently are. He probably sails to election. Would 3 years of Trump + 5 of Pence (minimum) be better or worse than our 4 years of Trump? I hate that this feels like a trolley problem.
I also doubt he'd turn out 80 million to vote against him, but sure, I can accept that he wouldn't walk to election. Then to shift the goalpost slightly, what I'm asking is would you trade >125,000 lives and subversion of our political system for [potentially] 5 or 9 years of Pence. If it's not worth entertaining, I won't pursue it any further.
There is no way pence gets 70m people to vote for him. Even the trumpublicans that would come out in large numbers would not have overcome his personality deficiencies. His extremely religious views would have gotten him in trouble as well. He was run outta town in Indiana. His coronavirus response could not have been worse and would have been much better. Don't forget his hiv response was based on his religious views, that drugs are a personal failing rather than public health problem, and hiv "being a gay disease" would not have been factors. He does still hate science through.
I do think a possible weakness for the GOP moving forward may their inability to find anyone who can get their base out to vote like Trump. Could a Tom Cotton or Nikki Haley or Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley get 73-74 million people out to vote for them the way Trump did? Maybe, but I'm guessing not. America has seen a good many other demagogues over the years (Huey Long, Joe McCarthy, George Wallace, etc.), and one thing that nearly all of them had in common is that when they fell from power they had no successors, or at least none that could generate anything like the same level of enthusiasm and support and voter turnout that the original did. Hopefully Trump follows that pattern.