• Welcome to OGBoards 10.0, keep in mind that we will be making LOTS of changes to smooth out the experience here and make it as close as possible functionally to the old software, but feel free to drop suggestions or requests in the Tech Support subforum!

Ongoing US GOP Debacle Thread: Seditious Republicans march toward authoritarianism

I love this Will gem from the article: “These are the same young people who say they have warm feelings about socialism, but all they mean by that is that socialism means everyone being sociable and nice to one another. They haven’t thought it through," Will said. "Because the same people who are suspicious, who like socialism, are suspicious of government, so I think that they’re uninformed at this point. But the Republican Party is doing its very best to drive them away permanently.”

So, the only reason that many young people are becoming more favorable to socialism is because they're so dumb they think that socialism = sociable and nice. LOL. I'm sure that declining job fortunes, soaring college debt load, and all of the other real-world economic and job problems young adults are facing have nothing to do with it. Solid reasoning, George.
 
Forgot to mention that one. It shows how way out of touch Will is. Or maybe he was trying to make a really bad joke. Capitalism isn't working. As we've pointed out on another thread, a generation ago, a household could survive with one income earner working one job. Now a two-person household needs 2+ jobs to survive.
 
Colonel Angus said:
So conservative principles are just a front to justify white supremacy? Is that your position?

LOLOLOL... The Tunnels Left never disappoints
Click to expand...

The current Republican Party was born out of the Pat Buchanan/Richard Nixon "Southern Strategy" of changing the racist Southern Dems into Republicans. This is the cornerstone of the current Republican party as is shown by election results.
 
Highland Deac said:
I love this Will gem from the article: “These are the same young people who say they have warm feelings about socialism, but all they mean by that is that socialism means everyone being sociable and nice to one another. They haven’t thought it through," Will said. "Because the same people who are suspicious, who like socialism, are suspicious of government, so I think that they’re uninformed at this point. But the Republican Party is doing its very best to drive them away permanently.”

So, the only reason that many young people are becoming more favorable to socialism is because they're so dumb they think that socialism = sociable and nice. LOL. I'm sure that declining job fortunes, soaring college debt load, and all of the other real-world economic and job problems young adults are facing have nothing to do with it. Solid reasoning, George.
Click to expand...

Wait....that’s not what it means?
 
Ongoing US GOP Debacle Thread: Embracing Trumpism/White Supremacy

PhDeac said:
Forgot to mention that one. It shows how way out of touch Will is. Or maybe he was trying to make a really bad joke. Capitalism isn't working. As we've pointed out on another thread, a generation ago, a household could survive with one income earner working one job. Now a two-person household needs 2+ jobs to survive.
Click to expand...

Was listening to an interesting podcast a while back that postulated democracy and capitalism are incompatible. As economic inequality increases, the fragile balance of the two breaks down and people move toward one or the other.

Those that wish to preserve capitalism move toward authoritarianism and oligarchy, while those that value democracy more move away from capitalism.
 
Last edited:
Makes sense. It was just the last decade that Republican foreign policy was centered around spreading democracy around the world. Now Republican foreign policy is about befriending authoritarians and oligarchs.
 
This is a powerful essay. The whole thing is worth reading, but here are a couple of good quotes:
What is notable is that crisis of faith in liberalism for this faction of the religious right comes only now. .. Yet this faction did not abandon its faith in liberalism’s capacity to solve problems during the decades of Jim Crow. It did not cry, “To hell with the liberal order!” over mass incarceration. It did not erupt in fury over the shattering of Latino families at the border, or the Trump-made aftermath of the catastrophe in Puerto Rico. It did not question whether liberalism had failed after the first, third, fourth or 15th mass shooting at a school, or because it is typical for Americans to beg strangers on the internet for money to cover their health-care costs or after an untimely death. The state of emergency occurred when, and only when, liberal democracy ceased to guarantee victory in the culture war. The indignity of fighting for one’s rights within a democratic framework is fine for others, but it is beneath them.
Click to expand...

Undetectable in the dispute on the right is any acknowledgment of the criticisms of liberal democracy by those who have been fighting for their fundamental rights in battles that are measured in decades and even centuries; that the social contract implicitly excluded them from the very rights white Christian men have been able to assert from the beginning. Perhaps to do so would be to acknowledge the fundamental immaturity underlying the American Orbánists’ critique: that what they describe as a crisis of liberal democracy is really just them not getting exactly what they want when they want it.
Click to expand...
 
IamThunderbolt said:
Was listening to an interesting podcast a while back that postulated democracy and capitalism are incompatible. As economic inequality increases, the fragile balance of the two breaks down and people move toward one or the other.

Those that wish to preserve capitalism move toward authoritarianism and oligarchy, while those that value democracy more move away from capitalism.
Click to expand...

move away to where?

link to the podcast?
 
tapioca-pudding-horiz-800.jpg
 
Deacon923 said:
This is a powerful essay. The whole thing is worth reading, but here are a couple of good quotes:
Click to expand...

Some other great quotes:

“Would the left have stood by liberal democracy in the face of such circumstances? In fact, the balance of forces tilted away from the left’s cultural priorities for most of my lifetime, and the left’s response was to win arguments—slowly, painfully, and at incalculable personal cost.”

Simple premise but important. The left believes in science, truth, and getting people to vote on policy even though our democracy doesn’t really work like that.

“But it is also because of a peculiar irony of American history: The American creed has no more devoted adherents than those who have been historically denied its promises, and no more fair-weather friends than those who have taken them for granted.”

“Undetectable in the dispute on the right is any acknowledgment of the criticisms of liberal democracy by those who have been fighting for their fundamental rights in battles that are measured in decades and even centuries; that the social contract implicitly excluded them from the very rights white Christian men have been able to assert from the beginning. Perhaps to do so would be to acknowledge the fundamental immaturity underlying the American Orbánists’ critique: that what they describe as a crisis of liberal democracy is really just them not getting exactly what they want when they want it.”
 
Deacon923 said:
This is a powerful essay. The whole thing is worth reading, but here are a couple of good quotes:
Click to expand...

That is a good read. It all goes back to the basic point that most right-wingers simply no longer see liberals as fellow American citizens with merely opposing views, but as "the enemy" that must be crushed at all costs. They've been losing the culture wars (gay rights and marriage, women's rights, more sexual openness and freedoms, other minority rights, growing acceptance of diversity in many areas) for decades, and they know that the nation's demographics are steadily turning against them, so they feel that any means are justified to keep them on top of the social and political and economic totem pole. It explains why so many Trumpites are not only accepting of Trump's open flouting of traditional political and legal rules and laws and norms, but openly celebrate it. It means that he (and by extension they) are "winning" again.
 
Last edited:
 
Last edited:
WakeForestRanger said:
Click to expand...

There’s something in common with all these people I just can’t put my white finger on it.

The wall pants and tie in the background — what a child. Playing dress up for a conman who doesn’t give two shits in a bucket about him.
 
There are so many good responses to that tweet.
 
DDA said:
There’s something in common with all these people I just can’t put my white finger on it.

The wall pants and tie in the background — what a child. Playing dress up for a conman who doesn’t give two shits in a bucket about him.
Click to expand...

They're look moonz - they enjoy being against the grain and provocateurs, no matter how foolish they look to reasonable people.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top