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Republicans for POTUS, 2016 Edition

Cheney is a lying moron again. His insistence on invading and occupying Iraq after lying to the world created ISIS. They wouldn't exist without him.

Indeed.
However, there would still be Boko Haram, the African ISIS, but that is in Africa, and we generally don't care about that country.
 
Indeed.
However, there would still be Boko Haram, the African ISIS, but that is in Africa, and we generally don't care about that country.

Why would there be anything called ISIS? If the founding doesn't exist why would a subset exist?

Had Cheney/W killed OBL at Tora Bora when we were listening to exit plans, who knows how much less be going? Very likely a lot of this would never have happened.
 
Why would there be anything called ISIS? If the founding doesn't exist why would a subset exist?

Had Cheney/W killed OBL at Tora Bora when we were listening to exit plans, who knows how much less be going? Very likely a lot of this would never have happened.

No shit. However, I contend that Islamic extremism exisits with or with our the Iraq invasion. It doesn't matter what the name is or where it pops up geographically. Al 'queda in the Arabian Peninsula and Boko Haram long predate ISIS. They are all fucking nut jobs that are using a religion to justify acting on intense anger towards Western cultural and economic imperialism. Sure booting Sadam and screwing the pooch on post invasion security made way for ISIS specifically. But these ideologies and tactics are not new. Dick Cheny did not create Islamic terrorism.
 
Why would there be anything called ISIS? If the founding doesn't exist why would a subset exist?

Had Cheney/W killed OBL at Tora Bora when we were listening to exit plans, who knows how much less be going? Very likely a lot of this would never have happened.

And it's very possible if they do that we eventually elect another Republican in 2008. Whole lot of butterfly effect type stuff in your hypotheses.
 
Excellent article about how the Republican Party has become ripe for "scampaigns."
https://newrepublic.com/article/134...ial&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=sharebtn

It was only natural that politicians themselves would want to get in on these scams. Writing in the New Republic in 2014, the journalist Ben Adler documentedhow an entire class of Republican politicians, including Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, and Mike Huckabee, used mailing lists built up in their presidential campaigns to sell dubious products afterward. In Cain’s case, anyone who gave money to his campaign would get ads, after the campaign ended,promising a “breakthrough” remedy for erectile dysfunction, “one of more than 50 similar pitches for miracle cures and easy-money tricks that Cain has passed along to his e-mail followers.” Gingrich and Huckabee, ostensibly more “serious” and established politicians, did much the same:

Newt Gingrich now pings the e-mail subscribers to his Gingrich Productions with messages from an investment firm formed by a conspiracy theorist successfully sued for fraud by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Mike Huckabee uses his own production company’s list to blast out links to heart-disease fixes and can’t-miss annuities.
These scams, risible as they seem, bring in serious money. By Adler’s calculations, Cain and Huckabee made small fortunes from selling their email lists to advertisers: “At $36 per thousand list members for an ad filling an entire e-mail, and no fewer than 33 such ads sent last year, Cain made more than $420,000 from e-mail ads in 2013—minus Newsmax’s cut and the costs of maintaining his list. For Huckabee, whose list is nearly twice as long as Cain’s and commands a rate of $43.25 per thousand, the rough haul is north of $900,000.”
 
thanks for posting. This paragraph is a real gem:

The affinity of conservatives for hucksterism not only explains Trump’s rise—but also why the Never Trump movement has never gained enough traction to stop him. By the time Trump launched his campaign, the conservative movement had already destroyed the intellectual immune system that is necessary to resist grifters. A telling example can be found in the famous “Never Trump” issue of National Review from February. Amid all the editorials and articles warning of the dangers of Trump was a full-page ad for something called “The Patriot Power Generator 1500.” The ad begins: FORMER CIA OFFICIAL WARNS; “ISIS TERRORISTS WANT TO CRIPPLE AMERICA’S ELECTRIC GRID!” Further down is a series of alarming sub-headlines designed to sell the generator: “IT May Have Already Begun,” “You Know We’re Targeted,” “Weather Is the Other Enemy.”
 
Excellent article about how the Republican Party has become ripe for "scampaigns."
https://newrepublic.com/article/134...ial&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=sharebtn

It was only natural that politicians themselves would want to get in on these scams. Writing in the New Republic in 2014, the journalist Ben Adler documentedhow an entire class of Republican politicians, including Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, and Mike Huckabee, used mailing lists built up in their presidential campaigns to sell dubious products afterward. In Cain’s case, anyone who gave money to his campaign would get ads, after the campaign ended,promising a “breakthrough” remedy for erectile dysfunction, “one of more than 50 similar pitches for miracle cures and easy-money tricks that Cain has passed along to his e-mail followers.” Gingrich and Huckabee, ostensibly more “serious” and established politicians, did much the same:

Newt Gingrich now pings the e-mail subscribers to his Gingrich Productions with messages from an investment firm formed by a conspiracy theorist successfully sued for fraud by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Mike Huckabee uses his own production company’s list to blast out links to heart-disease fixes and can’t-miss annuities.
These scams, risible as they seem, bring in serious money. By Adler’s calculations, Cain and Huckabee made small fortunes from selling their email lists to advertisers: “At $36 per thousand list members for an ad filling an entire e-mail, and no fewer than 33 such ads sent last year, Cain made more than $420,000 from e-mail ads in 2013—minus Newsmax’s cut and the costs of maintaining his list. For Huckabee, whose list is nearly twice as long as Cain’s and commands a rate of $43.25 per thousand, the rough haul is north of $900,000.”

Pretty sure these ads are where Bob 2 gets all of his great info.
 
GOP compromise used to be adding mavericky Palin to the ticket with establishment McCain. Likely they'll get two cash grab candidates (Trump and Newt) on the ticket this time. Huckabee and Carson were purely in it for the cash grab too. With 3 new Supreme Court Justices, overturning Roe will be done for another generation by 2020, but gun grabs, Latino/Muslim/gay bashing will still be a money maker in 2020. Demographics aside, HRC is a terrible candidate who should be beatable now. A generic non-threatening 'Pub like Thune or Kasich could beat HRC in 2020, but not if the primary base falls in love with cash grab clowns like Allen West or Palin again.
 
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