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Clinton Email Problem

Did the GOP break it?

Not Hillary stands to gain the most from this. We just have to find out who Not Hillary is.
 
Just spent a few minutes looking online and it APPEARs State turned all info to Congress and did not know HC had these e-mails.

I predicting HC will announce within 30 days she ain't seeking the presidency. Will say she wants to spend time with family.
 
Disclaimer: I am rarely right.
 
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PhDeac said:
You can really tell the difference between the concerned parties and political hacks on this thread.

Some are concerned about the lack of transparency and are WTF about why a high level politicians use their own email addresses.

Others are OMG Hillary! BENGHAZI!!!
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LOL

What did politicos do before email? There is more transparency now, by the very nature of electronic communication, than there has ever been.
 
PhDeac said:
Did the GOP break it?

Not Hillary stands to gain the most from this. We just have to find out who Not Hillary is.
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GOP would have nothing to gain at this point. Don't think any not Hillarys broke it either, but at least a half dozen Dems have to be recalculating now. Don't see that as a bad thing at all.
 
For people that have an opinion on Hillary, this "scandal" will not alter their view. For those that do not have an opinion on her, this "scandal" will not impact their ultimate decision in November 2016.
 
Also I think this is simulataneously concerning that we have such morons in positions of power while also agreeing that regardless of it being Jeb, Clinton, or anyone that this will not impact anyones vote on anything.
 
WakeandBake said:
In other words, it is assumed that anything on that storage has been deemed suitable for emailing, so it has been made vulnerable in transit and at the recipient servers anyway.
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Yeah, but you only have control of what you send, not what is sent to you. The way this email address was discovered was from Sidney Blumenthal emailing Hillary intelligence reports from his damn AOL account that was hacked by Guccifer.

Evidence that Hill didn't have her shit locked down:
http://gawker.com/how-unsafe-was-hillary-clintons-secret-staff-email-syst-1689393042

Hillary complaining about private email accounts in the Bush admin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DCwmYHr-_M

Hillary's State Department ousted an Ambassador, in part because he defied State Department policy and used his personal email to do State Department business:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...ed-ambassador-using-private-email_876183.html

Not that it's surprising, but it's more "do as I say, not as I do" that has been the theme of politics the last few admins.
 
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RacerDeac said:
Yeah, but you only have control of what you send, not what is sent to you. The way this email address was discovered was from Sidney Blumenthal emailing Hillary intelligence reports from his damn AOL account that was hacked by Guccifer.

Evidence that Hill didn't have her shit locked down:
http://gawker.com/how-unsafe-was-hillary-clintons-secret-staff-email-syst-1689393042

Hillary complaining about private email accounts in the Bush admin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DCwmYHr-_M

Hillary's State Department ousted an Ambassador, in part because he defied State Department policy and used his personal email to do State Department business:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...ed-ambassador-using-private-email_876183.html
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you don't have control of what you send, once its sent. Maybe Im misunderstanding you

ETA - unless you are using a secure mail system that sends only an alert message that a message is waiting for you on a secure server and you will only effectively see a screenshot.


That you could take a screenshot of with any free screenshot SW.
 
WakeandBake said:
you don't have control of what you send, once its sent. Maybe Im misunderstanding you
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Got ya. I was referring to what actually resides on the server...i.e. data at rest. I misunderstood what you were referencing.


But you bring up a good point about having no control over the emails once they are sent. The vast majority of emails Hillary sent/received on the job would have been to/from the .GOV domain. Especially anything sensitive. If she had used the proper email address, the data would have never left the .GOV infrastructure, making is WAY more secure than having to move to/from the .GOV and CLINTONEMAIL.COM domains across public networks.

Let's assume she has the most psychically and software secured server in existence. The fact that the emails were moving around outside of the .GOV infrastructure makes them far more susceptible to hacking than if they had been routed internally.
 
RacerDeac said:
Got ya. I was referring to what actually resides on the server...i.e. data at rest. I misunderstood what you were referencing.


But you bring up a good point about having no control over the emails once they are sent. The vast majority of emails Hillary sent/received on the job would have been to/from the .GOV domain. Especially anything sensitive. If she had used the proper email address, the data would have never left the .GOV infrastructure, making is WAY more secure than having to move to/from the .GOV and CLINTONEMAIL.COM domains across public networks.

Let's assume she has the most psychically and software secured server in existence. The fact that the emails were moving around outside of the .GOV infrastructure makes them far more susceptible to hacking than if they had been routed internally.
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excellent point. I still dont know what the security looks like, but in theory you make a good point. I am assuming that they use secure mail technology where the message never leaves the host server - cheap and easy to use.
 
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WakeandBake said:
What did politicos do before email? There is more transparency now, by the very nature of electronic communication, than there has ever been.
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Shredders and burn bags. I suspect they do much of the same these days, be it electronically or in keeping the key conversations in meetings and off e-mail servers.
 
PhDeac said:
You can really tell the difference between the concerned parties and political hacks on this thread.

Some are concerned about the lack of transparency and are WTF about why a high level politicians use their own email addresses.

Others are OMG Hillary! BENGHAZI!!!
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Hillary's actions are consistent with her past secret nature and desire to keep everything in-house and close to the vest. They lend credibility to both arguments you mention.
 
PhDeac said:
Did the GOP break it?

Not Hillary stands to gain the most from this. We just have to find out who Not Hillary is.
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DC is full of two-faced people. My guess is this story broke from inside the Obama administration.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
DC is full of two-faced people. My guess is this story broke from inside the Obama administration.
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Possible. But she's the odds on favorite to be hiring for their position.
 
I worked in the governor's office for a semester in college and the senior staff was always talking about which email address things should be sent to. There was the normal .gov address subject to the sunshine laws and the republican party of FL addresses for the juicy stuff.

I assume that happens everywhere?
 
Building narrative: Hapless Obama White House betrayed by Hillary Clinton’s callousness
POSTED AT 10:31 AM ON MARCH 5, 2015 BY NOAH ROTHMAN

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Whenever a scandal with the capacity to deal serious damage to the White House’s credibility arises, you can be sure that the administration only just learned about it in the same way you did: Reading about it in the papers.

Lois Lerner’s admission that the IRS had inappropriately targeted tea party groups with undue scrutiny? “The deputy secretary of the treasury was made aware of just the fact that the investigation was beginning last year,” former White House communications official Dan Pfeiffer insisted. “But no one in the White House was aware.” As for Lerner’s missing emails, apparently the White House had been informed of the cascading hard drive crashes six weeks before even Congress was told of that debacle, but you’re asked to believe that the targeting scandal was a complete shock to everyone in the West Wing.

And what about the systematic effort by Veterans Affairs administrators to cover up the deadly wait times America’s vets were forced to endure? That, too, came as a devastating and lamentable surprise to the Obama administration. “You mean the specific allegations that I think were reported first by your news network out of Phoenix, I believe,” said former White House Press Sec. Jay Carney, summoning all his powers of haplessness, in an exchange with CNN’s Jim Acosta. “We learned about them through the reports.”

The Fast and Furious gun-walking scandal? Obama “heard on the news” that a series of firearms had been misplaced in Mexico and were being used by gangs to kill civilians and American border personnel alike. “He found out about the news reports yesterday on the road,” Carney said of the scandal involving the Department of Justice monitoring Associated Press reporter’s communication records. Et cetera. Et cetera.

It’s become clear that you can measure the potential political danger that any one controversy poses to the White House by administration officials’ willingness to feign ignorance and betrayal. It seems that the scandalous revelation that Hillary Clinton constructed her own unsecure email system that she used exclusively as secretary of state has joined the pantheon of controversies of which the White House had no foreknowledge.

“The White House counsel’s office was not aware at the time Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state that she relied solely on personal email and only found out as part of the congressional investigation into the Benghazi attack, according to a person familiar with the matter,” The Associated Press reported on Thursday.

The AP indicated that the White House believes Clinton was operating as a rogue agent, flagrantly disregarding administration “guidance” (which, presumably, consisted entirely of advising her to follow the law) and striking out on her own by using only an unsecured email network.

Since the revelations surfaced this week, the Obama administration has been pummeled by endless questions about Clinton, who hasn’t formally announced a run. In the absence of an official campaign to defend her, the White House press secretary has been put in the awkward position of being a de facto Clinton spokesman and the most public voice speaking on her behalf.

While trying to avoid doing political damage to Clinton, the White House has put the onus on her aides to explain exactly what happened.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest acknowledged Wednesday that Clinton would have emailed White House officials on a non-government account. But the person familiar with the matter said the White House was not aware that was her sole method of email and that she wasn’t keeping a record of her emails at the State Department.
According to AP, our heroes in the White House have been “pummeled” by an unyielding press corps with questions regarding the ethicality of the president’s former Cabinet official. They have been put in a bind by their erstwhile ally, and are now trying desperately to extricate themselves from the suboptimal position in which her callous actions have placed them.

The editorial determination to either frame Clinton as a victim of circumstance or Obama as a victim of Clinton in this narrative must have been an agonizing one.

Of course, the White House and Team Clinton have been coordinating their messaging as this scandal deepened, even as both are apparently eager to throw the other under the bus.

Top White House aides have been in contact with Clinton’s team to clarify specific facts that the White House is likely to be asked about. The White House also reached out to Clinton’s team ahead of Tuesday’s press briefing to advise them of what the White House planned to say, according to a senior White House official, who requested anonymity to discuss private conversations.
So, are White House officials arguing that they never once engaged in an email exchange with Clinton via her private account? No, they’re not. White House Press Sec. Josh Earnest conceded recently that they had corresponded with Clinton via this account, but that the administration was completely unaware that she did not even have access to a .gov address. While that strains credulity, it’s their story, and they’re sticking to it.

Given this White House’s inclination to contend that they are babes in the woods whenever a serious scandal dominates the news cycle, at least you can say that they are consistent.
 
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