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Pro Life / Pro Choice Debate

Abortion: When will we as a country wake up to the truth?

The ridiculous thing is that it's not like Conservatives would be ok with abortion if the tissue was not donated, so they should stop acting like this adds anything meaningful to the conversation from their point of view

Conservatives are against Planned Parenthood. This is about ending them like they did ACORN.

They thought ending ACORN would reduce black voting. They probably think ending PP would reduce abortions.

I definitely am curious what they think should be done with fetal tissue.
 
I'm just asking you a question since you seem to believe that abortion is homicide where you draw the line on when life begins. At what point do you draw the line as to what constitutes this homicide? Is it as soon as sperm attaches to eggs and cells are formed that are a tiny human? Is it at 4 weeks, 8 weeks, 16 weeks?

I believe that life begins at conception. Reasonable minds can differ, but it gets a little less reasonable when a heartbeat and pain sensations appear.
 
"trafficking body parts?" Really? Also, that video is of a woman talking about her job. I don't know what happens to the fetal tissue that isn't donated, but I imagine that donation for medical research is the best and most positive use of it. It's very likely that research on fetal tissue has saved the lives of actual babies.

Seriously, how would you traffic in body parts of an unborn child? Unless you're doing in vitro limb/organ transplants, waiting till birth when it won't be the right size for the recipient, or magic.
 
Plus she's not talking about the cost of body parts being sold, it's the cost of preparing tissues for transport. This video is very intentionally misleading.
 
Plus she's not talking about the cost of body parts being sold, it's the cost of preparing tissues for transport. This video is very intentionally misleading.

Yeah. Really leaves out all of the good parts, doesn't it?
 
But when do bootstraps apply? Birth? Six months?

It's just so weird that you guys are in such a rush to get away from the specifics of the practice you are defending and seem to want to talk about something---anything---else. It's almost like you're not all that willing to support it vocally. Curious.
 
It's just so weird that you guys are in such a rush to get away from the specifics of the practice you are defending and seem to want to talk about something---anything---else. It's almost like you're not all that willing to support it vocally. Curious.
supporting lives up until birth strikes me as hypocritical

#alllivesmatteramiright
 
Let's be pragmatic. The abortion (right or wrong) has happened. You might as well do as much good with it scientifically as you can.
 
It's just so weird that you guys are in such a rush to get away from the specifics of the practice you are defending and seem to want to talk about something---anything---else. It's almost like you're not all that willing to support it vocally. Curious.
I support a woman's right to kill and evacuate a fetus gestating in her own womb, up until the point where that fetus would be capable of surviving outside the womb as a living person.
 
I'll talk about it all day and I'll watch your suctioning abortions if you want, but it's not going to change my mind that a woman has the right to choose up until a point of viability whether or not to terminate the pregnancy and I don't feel like it's a particularly morally burdensome issue on my conscience either. Again I'm probably not the best judge there though because I don't really believe in objective morality and generally just think morality is an inherently relative question. People who say "this is immoral" are just making relative judgments that as opposed to other actions this action is particularly heinous and should be uniformly proscribed. Obviously a lack of any belief in a deity or higher being on my part who consciously created the earth/humans and with it some sort of moral code permits me to rationally (and consistently from an intellectual vantage point) reach this point where others wouldn't get there due to their religious beliefs.

Not saying I'm right or wrong, just saying that watching a few abortion videos isn't going to change my mind even if they're totally disgusting. To me it's essentially like saying "you're in favor of gay people being able to have sex? You better watch these pornos of guys really getting rammed hard from behind and then tell me if you're still in favor of it."
 
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You're in favor of women giving birth? Watch these C-section videos then tell me if you're still in favor of it.
 
Some people think abortion is murder, some people think choking a man to death for selling cigarettes is murder, yet both of those things are legal. I guess murder is subjective.
 
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I support a woman's right to kill and evacuate a fetus gestating in her own womb, up until the point where that fetus would be capable of surviving outside the womb as a living person.

Right. Because that fetus is her human chattel. #1840
 
I take it that since you believe that conception is the starting point for human life you believe that as soon as sperm meets egg, any action to prevent that pregnancy from coming to completion is viewed as murder?

What's your stance on Plan B then? Sounds like you're just handing an ax to the mother for slaughter to me.
 
Right. Because that fetus is her human chattel. #1840
Until it gets a birth certificate, yeah. It's a part of the mothers body until it's not. A pregnant woman is also legally free to ride roller coasters, smoke, and drink - wrap your mind grapes around that.
 
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Until it gets a birth certificate, yeah. It's a part of the mothers body until it's not.

Dr. Deborah Nucatola, director of Medical Services for Planned Parenthood, in her own words:

So then you’re just kind of cognizant of where you put your graspers, you try to intentionally go above and below the thorax, so that, you know, we’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m going to basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact. And with the calvarium, in general, some people will actually try to change the presentation so that it’s not vertex, because when it’s vertex presentation, you never have enough dilation at the beginning of the case, unless you have real, huge amount of dilation to deliver an intact calvarium.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...0001&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Dear future generations of conservatives: When your generation studies the time period between 1950 and 2050, please take careful note: YOUR PARTY WAS AGAINST THIS PRACTICE AND THE OTHER PARTY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR.
 
Yeah, the arc of the moral universe is long, but it assuredly bends toward a reductive stance on reproductive rights. Good luck with that one.
 
To continue this train of thought, what other legal restrictions would you like to put on pregnant women re; their own bodies, and when do you think those restrictions should begin?
 
Abortion: When will we as a country wake up to the truth?

So they practice abortions in a way that organs can be kept intact and donated for scientific purposes.

Aside from opposition to abortion, what is the problem?
 
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