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Pro Life / Pro Choice Debate

When the cold war is the first and ONLY example you can come up with that conservatives were on the right side of history once you may want to consider reevaluating your perspective.
 
Being conservative requires not thinking earnestly about the past or future.

Take abortion for example. We know what a world without abortion looks like. It was miserable and dangerous for women. Conservatives don’t think or care about that and don’t account for how to avoid the same problems in a future without abortion.
 
sailordeac said:
the debate, not to mention the contest, between capitalism and socialism, for two
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Vague, dishonest, and unconvincing. We live in a country that is a mix of the two.

One thing we do know is when you remove oversight the air and water get worse, people get sicker and poorer. Not to mention the wealth gap in this country explodes and those same people pay fewer taxes.
 
So all liberals are socialists? That's not true. Also, it depends on what type of capitalism and socialism you're talking about. Laissez-faire capitalism certainly didn't work so well for the average worker in the Gilded Age, hence the push to create labor unions (which were violently resisted by corporations), the Populist and Progressive movements of the late 19th and early 20th Centuries were designed to fix those problems. The New Deal went even further and created the modern regulated capitalist, welfare state. I don't think that Social Security has been a failure, or Medicare and Medicaid, or unemployment insurance, or sick leave, or a 40-hour work week, or any of the changes made to capitalism in the early-to-mid 20th Century. Regulated capitalism has generally worked pretty well. The problem is that conservatives fought most of those reforms every step of the way, and are still trying to roll many of them back by privatizing or just gutting them. Pure, unregulated capitalist economies generally haven't worked very well, which is why neither the USA nor virtually any other advanced society has that type of capitalism anymore. But conservatives certainly seem to want to return to it - just like Thom Tillis when he said early in his Senate tenure that we don't really need the FDA anymore, because the "marketplace" would ensure that food is sanitary.
 
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independence from england - conservatives said no or moved back to england
no more owning slaves - conservatives fought a war against that
no more children working in factories- conservatives against it
women voting - conservatives against it
prohibition - conservatives for it
civil rights - conservatives against it
desegregation - conservatives against it
gay rights - conservatives against it
 
Milhouse said:
independence from england - conservatives said no or moved back to england
no more owning slaves - conservatives fought a war against that
no more children working in factories- conservatives against it
women voting - conservatives against it
prohibition - conservatives for it
civil rights - conservatives against it
desegregation - conservatives against it
gay rights - conservatives against it
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Besides that, how was the play Ms. Lincoln?

Oh yeah, conservatives were against Lincoln and Kennedy who were both assassinated.
 
Last I checked mike pence and mother are pretty conservative. (Can't trust himself to be alone with a woman he's not married to)
 
Milhouse said:
independence from england - conservatives said no or moved back to england
no more owning slaves - conservatives fought a war against that
no more children working in factories- conservatives against it
women voting - conservatives against it
prohibition - conservatives for it
civil rights - conservatives against it
desegregation - conservatives against it
gay rights - conservatives against it
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Banking regulation - conservatives against it
Environmental protection - conservatives against it
 
we live in a capitalist world; socialism has lost both the intellectual argument and the contest between the rival systems; whatever fragments of policies championed by socialists that remain; these can only exist successfully within a dynamic capitalist structure; without a capitalist framework to support them they would become largely ineffective and often counterproductive
 
number three: the Romans and their entire political system were inherently and reflexively conservative (even when they reluctantly allowed for modifications, they did so in a manner that would make future changes more difficult); they set the standard for effective and good government, which were certainly improvements over what had existed before them, for over 1,000 years in the west and even longer in the east

the founders of the US copied their ideas of government for the new republic
 
So the fall of a dictatorship more than 1500 years ago is the example you’re going with?
 
Well, the Trump administration has demonstrated how bad our system of government is, so once again, conservatives on the wrong side of history.
 
Milhouse said:
independence from england - conservatives said no or moved back to england
no more owning slaves - conservatives fought a war against that
no more children working in factories- conservatives against it
women voting - conservatives against it
prohibition - conservatives for it
civil rights - conservatives against it
desegregation - conservatives against it
gay rights - conservatives against it
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Lulz... this was lifted almost verbatim from a Daily Beast "article" a handful of years back.

Were you planning to credit the source at some point? Or just continue to pass it on as your own work?
 
Colonel Angus said:
Lulz... this was lifted almost verbatim from a Daily Beast "article" a handful of years back.

Were you planning to credit the source at some point? Or just continue to pass it on as your own work?
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Yeah, that's the important thing here on these message boards -- accreditation. Good call as usual dumbass.
 
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