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CROOKED Hilary

Over the last week or so, I've begun to believe the chances are getting better that the Dems may well throw away this election that the Pubs are trying ever so hard to hand to them. Hillary is still most likely going to be the nominee, but there is zero excitement for her nomination. As we've seen, most of the youngs are excited about Bernie. If Hillary is the nominee, the youngs are unlikely to vote in large numbers like they did for Obama. Even though the Latino vote is now overwhelmingly Dem, the percentage of eligible Latino voters who actually vote has traditionally been low. And if Trump is the nominee, he could siphon off some of the disaffected low wage white vote that is currently going to Bernie in the primary. A low Dem turnout is the formula the Pubs need in order to win. And without a high turnout, taking back the senate is unlikely.

If Bernie were to win the nomination, it looks even more bleak. He hasn't been hit hard so far, but he certainly will be in a general. One poll last week had 31% having a favorable view toward socialism, and 60% had a negative view toward socialism. Every other word you hear in commercials and on political talk shows will be socialism. And another article last week pointed out that the RNC issued 19 tweets the prior week about the Dem candidates - all were either anti-Hillary or supportive of Bernie. Make no mistake, they want to run against Bernie. Making things worse, the support for Bernie among African Americans and Latinos is tepid at best, and that turnout would certainly be way less than it was for Obama. Add to that, no senate candidate outside of Russ Feingold will want to be seen in the same picture as Bernie. And the electoral math is bad for him. Ain't no way he wins VA, and he likely gives back the gains the Dems have made in the mountain west in CO, NV and NM. His best shot would probably be if Trump were the Pub nominee, and Bloomberg got in as a 3rd party candidate.

I'm beginning to believe the best thing that could happen right about now is an indictment.
 
cville deac said:
Over the last week or so, I've begun to believe the chances are getting better that the Dems may well throw away this election that the Pubs are trying ever so hard to hand to them. Hillary is still most likely going to be the nominee, but there is zero excitement for her nomination. As we've seen, most of the youngs are excited about Bernie. If Hillary is the nominee, the youngs are unlikely to vote in large numbers like they did for Obama. Even though the Latino vote is now overwhelmingly Dem, the percentage of eligible Latino voters who actually vote has traditionally been low. And if Trump is the nominee, he could siphon off some of the disaffected low wage white vote that is currently going to Bernie in the primary. A low Dem turnout is the formula the Pubs need in order to win. And without a high turnout, taking back the senate is unlikely.

If Bernie were to win the nomination, it looks even more bleak. He hasn't been hit hard so far, but he certainly will be in a general. One poll last week had 31% having a favorable view toward socialism, and 60% had a negative view toward socialism. Every other word you hear in commercials and on political talk shows will be socialism. And another article last week pointed out that the RNC issued 19 tweets the prior week about the Dem candidates - all were either anti-Hillary or supportive of Bernie. Make no mistake, they want to run against Bernie. Making things worse, the support for Bernie among African Americans and Latinos is tepid at best, and that turnout would certainly be way less than it was for Obama. Add to that, no senate candidate outside of Russ Feingold will want to be seen in the same picture as Bernie. And the electoral math is bad for him. Ain't no way he wins VA, and he likely gives back the gains the Dems have made in the mountain west in CO, NV and NM. His best shot would probably be if Trump were the Pub nominee, and Bloomberg got in as a 3rd party candidate.

I'm beginning to believe the best thing that could happen right about now is an indictment.
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There is no way that Bernie will be allowed to beat Hillary. DWS put the debates in the witness protection program, and they've been sit-downs with Rachel Maddow and a barrage of "What's your best trait?" fanboy questions. The Dems are not interested in feeling any bern.

The Dems have gone all in on America being Ready for Hillary. Can't you just feel the excitement?
 
jhmd2000 said:
There is no way that Bernie will be allowed to beat Hillary. DWS put the debates in the witness protection program, and they've been sit-downs with Rachel Maddow and a barrage of "What's your best trait?" fanboy questions. The Dems are not interested in feeling any bern.

The Dems have gone all in on America being Ready for Hillary. Can't you just feel the excitement?
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A true Clinton supporter will lie in answering that question.
 
Aside from the fact that she is a pathological liar, Hillary Clinton may be the worst candidate nominated by a major party since George McGovern. And a lot of Democrats know it and are really scared.
 
simosfrostyone said:
Aside from the fact that she is a pathological liar, Hillary Clinton may be the worst candidate nominated by a major party since George McGovern. And a lot of Democrats know it and are really scared.
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C'mon, Simos. "All politicians lie", so you can't talk about Hillary lying. There is no difference between the authenticity of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. Both are politicians, and all politicians are exactly the same. It's science.
 
Going to really suck for you two when she's elected president.
 
I can't stand Hillary, but how do you see your life appreciably changing, Wrangor?

Don't really see how she's that different from Obama, policy-wise.
 
Oh the country will be just fine. She will keep the right wing nut cases in Congress from passing too much crazy crap.
She is firmly part of the Democratic establishment and wouldn't be an incredibly marginalized president like Sanders.
 
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And the overwhelming majority of black Democrats are supporting Hillary. Nothing new here, though. Black Democrats have never been reliable supporters of liberal causes in general....but only involving programs where they benefitted in particular. In 1972, they remained with Hubert Humphrey over George McGovern until the bitter end. And in 2004, they never really got behind Howard Dean. So it's hardly surprising that they would support Hillary Clinton instead of Bernie Sanders.
 
It's #anecdotes and all, but almost all of my politically active black friends -- most of whom are 35+ -- are Sanders supporters. The narrative in the media does not match up with my observations.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
It's #anecdotes and all, but almost all of my politically active black friends -- most of whom are 35+ -- are Sanders supporters. The narrative in the media does not match up with my observations.
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Do any of the media's narratives make sense right now?
 
Hillary's support among black voters now is similar to her support among black voters in 2008. If Sanders overcomes the "electability" question, he'll get more support. Not sure if it will be enough to overcome Hillary though.

Here's a Facebook post from a true Hillary believer just to remind you all they exist.
I say it's time for those of us progressives who really WANT a feminist in the White House, who want a president who has lived a life shattering gender bias, and overcoming the structured disadvantage of being both a caretaker and a lawyer and politician, to come out of the closet. Hillary is not merely the most electable democrat, although she is that. She is an inspirational feminist movement leader for women's rights, and for equity for the world's most disadvantaged children. She and her staff coined the phrase, a "women's rights are human rights" that has so mattered for women around the world. I proudly support her and I challenge those of you who do so to work for her campaign and send her money. I'm putting my checkbook where my mouth is today, and I hope you will too....
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Going to really suck for you two when she's elected president.
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Unlikely, but I suppose anything is possible. My plan is to keep working and not count on the promises she is making. I feel for the people who put stock in what she is saying. Save those #thoughtsandprayers for the people who think she's going to pay their mortgage, put gas in their cars, etc. Sad.
 
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