Jim Grobe to Illinois?

bobknightfan said:

If WF was playing in the A-10, CAA or Patriot League, I feel that Clawson could well be successful here, too.

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PhDeac said:

There are plenty of benefits to getting rid of the SAT and everyone has named some of them. It's not really an "either or" thing.

One of the leading scholars on standardized testing is on faculty at Wake. It's good for him because it fits his research. University development likes it because they can bring in a rich kid with lower test scores. It brings the appearance of openness. It probably also inflates mean SAT scores for ranking purposes.

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PhDeac said:

There are plenty of benefits to getting rid of the SAT and everyone has named some of them. It's not really an "either or" thing.

One of the leading scholars on standardized testing is on faculty at Wake. It's good for him because it fits his research. University development likes it because they can bring in a rich kid with lower test scores. It brings the appearance of openness. It probably also inflates mean SAT scores for ranking purposes.

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BDL said:

Historically average recruiting isn't good enough.

Sure BKF is full of shit but what exactly did you see in last year's disaster to give you more confidence in the state of the program than three years ago when we were coming off a season where we were a missed field goal from the ACCCG, had a third-year starter in Tanner Price coming off a 3k yard 20 TD season, what we thought was a future first-rounder at corner (Bud), a skinny, but talented kid on the other side (KJ), a still-promising RB and a scrappy guy to hopefully replace Givens as our top wideout?

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DeaconSig said:

The fact that the new coach has won a conference championship at every school he has ever coached at within 5 years of getting to that school.

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WFU Lurker said:

I think they might somehow require (or at least strongly encourage) students to submit their scores after they have been admitted, for ranking purposes.

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DemonDeacon92 said:

Not sure about this. Wake requires all SAT/ACT scores are sent to them eventually if you choose to attend. I assumed this was for "mean SAT scores" data.

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PhDeac said:

Right. But I'm guessing anybody who enrolled who hasn't taken the SAT probably has a score on the lower end. It's probably a small number, but incoming classes are small as well.

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DCDeac said:

Wait, what are the arguments again? Is Clawson going to be worse than Grobe, never have a winning season, or never win 9 games every year? Did we already sell our souls or are we in danger of it? Is Wake peaking in revenue sports currently and improvement is hopeless or would success reveal that we're valueless? If a player graduates but might not have been admitted if they weren't a football player does that mean admitting them was ok, or is it always not ok? If it's always not ok then what difference does it make if they graduated? Should every small school ban itself from major conference sports or does coaching matter and great coaches can succeed despite significant obstacles? And every time such a team finds success is it a fluke but when they are awful that's their ceiling? And the answer is to switch conferences until awful becomes good?

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"The test-optional policy should strengthen and diversify an already outstanding applicant pool and will broaden access for those high-achieving students who have historically been underrepresented at selective colleges and universities, including students of color, first-generation students and students from low-income households," said Laurie Koehler, who leads enrollment efforts at George Washington.
In a word: Diversity.
Which sounds good. But, in a recent column in The Hechinger Report, Stephen Burd asks whether schools have "a less altruistic reason" for going test-optional.
"By going test-optional, they appear to be doing one thing but [are really] doing another," Burd told me in a recent interview from his office at New America, a Washington D.C.-based think tank.
The question is: Beyond the admirable goal of wanting to reach more traditionally underrepresented students, why else would schools go test-optional?
"Number One," says Burd, getting more applications "allows schools to then reject more students."
And that, he says, makes them look more selective in the college rankings put out each year by U.S. News & World Report.
If there's an advantage to be had, though, it's small. A school's acceptance rate accounts for just 1.5 percent of its overall rank.
Burd also points out that, in a test-optional system, only students who score well on the SAT tend to submit their scores. "When the school then calculates what its average SAT score is, it ends up artificially inflating it."
Again, that could help a school in the rankings, making its student body look smarter and the school look better. Though the folks at U.S. News disagree. If a school collects scores from fewer than three-quarters of its students, they say, its SAT average is automatically discounted on the assumption it's too high.

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MichDeac25 said:

Too much hate for a guy who took us to the Orange Bowl.

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bobknightfan said:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...73ec66-5190-11e5-9812-92d5948a40f8_story.html

SAT scores at lowest level in 10 years, fueling worries about high schools

It is difficult to pinpoint a reason for the decline in SAT scores, but educators cite a host of enduring challenges in the quest to lift high school achievement. Among them are poverty, language barriers, low levels of parental education and social ills that plague many urban neighborhoods.

Cyndie Schmeiser — chief of assessment for the College Board, which owns the SAT — said she is concerned because the share of students prepared for college has stagnated for five years. Close to 42 percent of students who took the SAT reached a score of at least 1550, a benchmark for college and career readiness. The share was far lower for Hispanic students (23 percent) and African Americans (16 percent).

“Simply doing the same things we have been doing is not going to improve these numbers,” Schmeiser said in a statement. “This is a call to action to do something different to propel more students to readiness.”


Like many things in this country today, this is going in the wrong direction. WF seems to have found the answer, though. If you are concerned about prospective students not doing well on a test....just eliminate it. Problem solved.

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