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General Election Thread: Two Weeks Out

I doubt this very much.

2020 is too ambitious, but 2024 is not outside the realm of possibility. AZ is not exactly a slam dunk for Trump or McCain in November. Houston, DFW, San Antonio, and Austin add more Latino voters every year. Can't keep electing dipshit Governors who send the National Guard to stop Obama's blue helmet One World gun grab forever without consequences.
 
That's an interesting position. The Tea Party and Trump waves have caused the GOP to lurch hard to the right. Are you suggesting they don't need to course-correct back to a more center-right disposition because it would equate to "moving left"?

The tea party has lurched but the center of the party is right where they should be.



Rather than uniting the party, shouldn't the goal be for the party to evolve the way the national electorate has evolved (i.e. the post-2012 stated objective)? Or do you suppose that a united GOP focused on their traditional platform positions will still appeal to the 2018/2020 American populace?

By definition conservatives are looking less to evolve and more to maintain traditional principles. Hence the difference between PROGRESSives and CONSERVE-atives.


If Paul Ryan (and thus, Mitt Romney) is that kind of politician, why did they lose so handily in 2012?

Because the party isn't where it needs to be. The Republican Party needs a wake up call. A Donald trump annihilation could be just what the doctor ordered. Or it might be the opposite. Who knows but I don't think the solution is for the center of the party to move further left.


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Latino math for the GOP:

Currently purple, trending blue: CO (9), NV (6), NM (5) = 20
Currently red, trending purple: AZ (11)
Red: TX (38)

Total: 69

Gotta stop the bleeding or sweep the Rust Belt:

Currently blue: PA (20), MI (16), WI (10) = 46
Currently purple: OH (18)

Total: 64

Leaves out mega blue CA (55) and blue states with not insignificant Latino populations: WA (12) and OR (7), purple state FL (29), and purple NC (15) and VA (13) and red state GA (16) with emerging Latino populations.

Dissing Martinez didn't help, and Newt, Sessions, Christie, or Scott Brown don't offset Trump's problems with Latino voters.
 
Bernie beat Hillary and Cruz beat Trump in WI. Bernie held an earlier rally in Green Bay. Rumor is that Bernie may join HRC and Obama in Green Bay on Wednesday.

Not likely that Walker, Ryan, Johnson, or Cruz will campaign with Trump anywhere in WI anytime soon.
 
A new poll showed 48% of the public think Bernie should keep running. Would love to see him run as the Green Party candidate. Of course that would probably guarantee Hillary will lose.
 
Latino math for the GOP:

Currently purple, trending blue: CO (9), NV (6), NM (5) = 20
Currently red, trending purple: AZ (11)
Red: TX (38)

Total: 69

Gotta stop the bleeding or sweep the Rust Belt:

Currently blue: PA (20), MI (16), WI (10) = 46
Currently purple: OH (18)

Total: 64

Leaves out mega blue CA (55) and blue states with not insignificant Latino populations: WA (12) and OR (7), purple state FL (29), and purple NC (15) and VA (13) and red state GA (16) with emerging Latino populations.

Dissing Martinez didn't help, and Newt, Sessions, Christie, or Scott Brown don't offset Trump's problems with Latino voters.

This has to be bone chilling math for GOP.
 
This has to be bone chilling math for GOP.

Bowing to the wishes of groups like the Chamber of Commerce for decades and allowing tens of millions of immigrants to flood into the country probably hasn't been a good long term strategy for the survival of the GOP.
 
This has to be bone chilling math for GOP.

Reince is a dweeby bastard and isn't a genius, but those numbers are no surprise to him or even a few members of GOP leadership. After 2012, they knew they had to reverse the trend or at least neutralize it. They couldn't have anticipated a scenario where a candidate like Trump would accelerate the trend in a significantly negative direction.

GOP also knew the numbers on women voters in 2012 and aggressively moved away from Akin's and Mourdock's comments on rape and abortion. A significant loss of the female vote alone loses the presidential election now.

GOP still needs 40% of the Latino vote nationally to win. Were willing to lose two Senate seats in 2012, but aren't willing to tank the presidential election. Failing to bite the bullet now no doubt hurts them in 2020 and beyond. Insane to let the same issue beat you in multiple elections with full knowledge the trends are progressively getting worse.
 
A new poll showed 48% of the public think Bernie should keep running. Would love to see him run as the Green Party candidate. Of course that would probably guarantee Hillary will lose.

Which is why Republicans and nutty libs want him to keep running.
 
General Election Thread: Clinton vs. Trump

That's not on GOP leadership, FMR. They can't lead their base not to be xenophobic.
 
Understood, but they absolutely can't let Trump jam some of his most anti-Latino planks into the GOP platform. McConnell and Ryan had to endorse him, but other pols don't have to embrace or campaign with him. Party as a whole is totally hosed for the future if they explicitly codify mass deportations in the 2016 platform.
 
But it's what a large number of their voters want. Undocumented immigrants, including high school valedictorians, are criminals who need to be rounded up and deported.

I think the GOP is having a problem understanding that Trump is the standard bearer for the GOP. He blew away the field mainstream Republicans wee so excited about.
 
But it's what a large number of their voters want. Undocumented immigrants, including high school valedictorians, are criminals who need to be rounded up and deported.

I think the GOP is having a problem understanding that Trump is the standard bearer for the GOP. He blew away the field mainstream Republicans wee so excited about.

So much this. The establishment and neocons are in denial and don't recognize that a significant portion of their base (mostly Reagan Dems and a lot of the Christian Right) voted for Drumpf for a reason. They like what he is selling, and they don't like what the establishment and neocons are selling.
 
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