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UNC Begs, er, responds to NCAA allegations

I don't think McCants ever talked to the NCAA.

I didn't say they did but they helped start a lot of this. Rashad talked about the sham classes and Rashanda & Ramsey filed suit in state court against UNC. So they were all 3 talking was my point.
 
This article from insidehighered.com does a good job of describing the phoniness of UNC's argument about the scandal being beyond the jurisdiction of the NCAA.

'Beyond the NCAA's Purview'
insidehighered.com
North Carolina tells the sports governance group that it does not have the authority to punish the university for academic fraud. Association may be heading for another fight with one of its high-profile members.
August 10, 2016
By Jake New

"...The NCAA absolutely has jurisdiction over classes that were clearly created to obtain athletic eligibility,” said David Ridpath, professor of sports administration at Ohio University and an advocate for reforming the academic side of college sports. “The NCAA influences curricular decisions all the time at its member institutions, whether it's how to measure satisfactory progress towards a degree, or yes, punishing institutions for creating fake classes.”

Ridpath said he would prefer if the NCAA got out of academics altogether, adding that "maybe we can finally put to bed the idea that college athletics have any connection to education." But he noted that the association has punished conduct similar to UNC's before. In 2001, the NCAA sanctioned Marshall University for, among other violations, a professor granting A grades to all students in a course to help football players remain eligible. Like at UNC, nonathletes took the course as well. In that case, the association argued that the course was still an NCAA violation.

“And that was one course with maybe a couple dozen athletes,” said Ridpath, who reported the fraud as Marshall’s compliance director at the time. “At UNC, the fake courses were systemically helping men’s basketball and football players for nearly 20 years. The NCAA needs to have the guts to say, ‘Are you kidding me? This was absolutely academic fraud.’ This isn't about assessing the quality of the courses, because there were no courses...”

Same "non-courses" Roy's long-time academic advisor Wayne Walden put all those guys in during the title class of 2005. 35 bogus classes for men's basketball along with whatever Crowder did with womens basketball. And we wonder why Walden disappeared in 2009 and Butch Davis' tutor put a clothes pin on her mouth and moved to Durham prior to his ouster??!! And yet nobody talks about the great grades Julius Peppers had that showed up on the internet that would have made him technically ineligible for football his junior year and even played for Roy's basketball team!
 
The bright side of UNC walking is that it separates "academics" from athletics, diminishes the NCAA, and gets us one step closer to a pro model.
 
Because the current system is patently dishonest and exploitative. Ask yourself what an honest system would look like.
 
Sure, but we don't have to have it again. But there is something wrong when EVERYONE gets paid a market rate but the students who perform the service. Wouldn't one way to have a more honest system be to also limit everyone else's compensation? "Hey coach, you can't make more than a college professor because you are coaching amateurs." "Hey, big network, you're income from these games needs to be capped because you're broadcasting amateurs. That reasoning is rejected outright for everybody but the student athlete.

But there are other things as well. Isn't it academically dishonest to admit kids you wouldn't otherwise admit into college, hold their hand through their studies in one of the school's easiest majors, and limit what the bright athletes can take because the labs conflict with sports practice? Coaches can come and go as they please, but athletes can't transfer without penalty? Coaches get multi-year contracts, but the athlete's scholarship is year to year? Oh, and coach may recruit over you and dump you. What happens if a coach gets fired before his contract ends? For this thread, what would an academically honest system look like?
 
Sure, but we don't have to have it again. But there is something wrong when EVERYONE gets paid a market rate but the students who perform the service. Wouldn't one way to have a more honest system be to also limit everyone else's compensation? "Hey coach, you can't make more than a college professor because you are coaching amateurs." "Hey, big network, you're income from these games needs to be capped because you're broadcasting amateurs. That reasoning is rejected outright for everybody but the student athlete.

But there are other things as well. Isn't it academically dishonest to admit kids you wouldn't otherwise admit into college, hold their hand through their studies in one of the school's easiest majors, and limit what the bright athletes can take because the labs conflict with sports practice? Coaches can come and go as they please, but athletes can't transfer without penalty? Coaches get multi-year contracts, but the athlete's scholarship is year to year? Oh, and coach may recruit over you and dump you. What happens if a coach gets fired before his contract ends? For this thread, what would an academically honest system look like?

I know this is an aside but.... what makes you think college athletes aren't making a market wage with their scholarships room and board? What do NBDL guys get paid? Minor league football? It is the fans allegiance to the college, not the athletes themselves that create the value in college sports.
 
Because the cartel sets a single "wage" for all - take it or leave. And because there is plenty of under the table money available to athletes.

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