Ms piggy likes to pork

WakeandBake said:

Perhaps Gennifer Flowers is trailer trash, I mean look at how she spells her name. :thumbsup:

As far as I'm concerned, women trashing each other when banging the same man is far less egregious than a man trashing a woman for her looks. :noidea:

Her record with women on the whole is far better than Donald Trumps. GTFO with that bullshit

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WakeandBake said:

Stop linking tabloid trash, novice.

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WakeandBake said:

Her record with women on the whole is far better than Donald Trumps. GTFO with that bullshit

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Strickland33 said:

In light of her full resume, how would you respond to this assertion, bsf4l.

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Strickland33 said:

In light of her full resume, how would you respond to this assertion, bsf4l.

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BobStackFan4Life said:

I would suggest you read this and similar articles. There's no shortage of material about her deplorable treatement of Bill's victims, if you're willing to get informed.
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2015/03/14/hillarys-war-on-the-women-who-boinked-bill-n1970596

I would suggest you consider her close ties to the House of Saud. Is Saudi Arabia women friendly? Not to mention her support for the war in Iraq, military intervention in Libya, etc. Did that prove positive for the millions (men, women, and children) who have been killed and maimed. Or just continue to ignore everything and freak out because Trump called a Ms Universe winner that was contractually obligated to remain skinny (for obvious reasons) Ms Piggy.

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tintinisahottie said:

the faux outrage over a beauty queen whose sole job was to look good being called miss piggy after adding 60 pounds is an all time try hard move by libs

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BobStackFan4Life said:

Strick, what do YOU think of my response?

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Strickland33 said:

Ok, so Hillary's treatment of Bill's victims and Trump's treatment of his own victims suck.

What about their records on women's rights and associated issues, more generally?

(and please quit linking to tabloid trash instead of articulating an opinion - I'd much rather hear what you have to say!)

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BobStackFan4Life said:

You admit Hillary's treatment of Bill's victims sucks and then disregard and minimize what was done to these women by calling it "tabloid trash". He sexually assaulted and raped women! And Hillary worked behind the scenes, and sometimes publicly, to cover it up and attack the victims. And be honest, that means nothing to you. You're more outraged about this Ms Piggy bullshit.

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WakeandBake said:

If Bill had been getting blown by men, Hillary would have gone after them just as viciously. She went after them for sexual contact with her husband - them being women was a coincidental factor of Bill's sexual persuasion. Trump hangs around pageants like a creep and rags on their appearance with malice, for sport. He thinks it's funny. He's a dick of the highest order.

The Saud's are our allies. I don't like it really, but they are a strategic ally. All American leadership has some relationship with them, under obligation. To single out Hillary for this is strange. Any SOS or Senator on the armed services committee has to deal with them. She would be derelict in her professional duty if she did not. Trump is ready to slash alliances and relationships randomly and without reason. He's a dick of the highest order, and an uninformed man with no desire to learn and participate in world diplomacy with any shrewdness whatsoever.

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Spoiler: NSFW

Strickland33 said:

I think they're inadequate for the same reasons that Wake and Bake pointed out. Trump has a long record of abusing, insulting, and objectifying women that continues into the present. Clinton went after women who cheated with her spouse. She did a lot of things that I'm sure that she regrets now, but does Trump regret anything?

It's a tenuous comparison at best.

So is your invocation of the Saudis. Trump does business with nations that have less than stellar women's rights records, too, because unless you're a staunch isolationist - Trump is not, btw - then that's how the global economic and geopolitical landscape work.

Clinton has been an advocate of women and families at every step of her political career, which is a point that you choose to disregard, either because you're trolling or because your hatred of Clinton has obscured your better judgment).

Two areas where Clinton has actively screwed over women during her political career is in her support of militarization abroad (under the auspices of protecting women's rights, aka the Bush doctrine) and in support of mass incarceration, which has ripped apart black and Latino families, placed extreme strain on black and Latino women, and will have multigenerational effects.

But ultimately and in the context of politicians operating over the same time frame, I think Clinton has been a good advocate for women and families during her political career.

When you compare her record to Trump's, it's not even close. It's insulting to even suggest that Trump - alleged rapist (multiple times over), professional objectifier of women and profiter off of this objectification, and proud misogynist - has a remotely comparable record.

ETA: I overlooked your discussion of support for military intervention. I agree with you there.

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At the time, Abedin was assistant editor of the Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs working under her mother, who remains editor-in-chief. She was also working in the White House as an intern for then-first lady Clinton.

Headlined “Women’s Rights Are Islamic Rights,” a 1996 article argues that single moms, working moms and gay couples with children should not be recognized as families. It also states that more revealing dress ushered in by women’s liberation “directly translates into unwanted results of sexual promiscuity and irresponsibility and indirectly promote violence against women.” In other words, sexually liberated women are just asking to be raped.

“A conjugal family established through a marriage contract between a man and a woman, and extended through procreation is the only definition of family a Muslim can accept,” the author, a Saudi official with the Muslim World League, asserted, while warning of “the dangers of alternative lifestyles.” (Abedin’s journal was founded and funded by the former head of the Muslim World League.)

“Pushing [mothers] out into the open labor market is a clear demonstration of a lack of respect of womanhood and motherhood,” it added.

In a separate January 1996 article, Abedin’s mother — who was the Muslim World League’s delegate to the UN conference — wrote that Clinton and other speakers were advancing a “very aggressive and radically feminist” agenda that was un-Islamic and wrong because it focused on empowering women.

“‘Empowerment’ of women does more harm than benefit the cause of women or their relations with men,” Saleha Mahmood Abedin maintained, while forcefully arguing in favor of Islamic laws that have been roundly criticized for oppressing women.

“By placing women in the ‘care and protection’ of men and by making women responsible for those under her charge,” she argued, “Islamic values generate a sense of compassion in human and family relations.”

“Among all systems of belief, Islam goes the farthest in restoring equality across gender,” she claimed. “Acknowledging the very central role women play in procreation, child-raising and homemaking, Islam places the economic responsibility of supporting the family primarily on the male members.”

She seemed to rationalize domestic abuse as a result of “the stress and frustrations that men encounter in their daily lives.” While denouncing such violence, she didn’t think it did much good to punish men for it.

‘Among all systems of belief, Islam goes the farthest in restoring equality across gender.’

She added in her 31-page treatise: “More men are victims of domestic violence than women . . . If we see the world through ‘men’s eyes’ we will find them suffering from many hardships and injustices.”

She opposed the UN conference widening the scope of the definition of the family to include “gay and lesbian ‘families.’ ”

Huma Abedin does not apologize for her mother’s views. “My mother was traveling around the world to these international women’s conferences talking about women’s empowerment, and it was normal,” she said in a recent profile in Vogue.

Huma continued to work for her mother’s journal through 2008. She is listed as “assistant editor” on the masthead of the 2002 issue in which her mother suggested the US was doomed to be attacked on 9/11 because of “sanctions” it leveled against Iraq and other “injustices” allegedly heaped on the Muslim world. Here is an excerpt:

“The spiral of violence having continued unabated worldwide, and widely seen to be allowed to continue, was building up intense anger and hostility within the pressure cooker that was kept on a vigorous flame while the lid was weighted down with various kinds of injustices and sanctions . . . It was a time bomb that had to explode and explode it did on September 11, changing in its wake the life and times of the very community and the people it aimed to serve.”

Huma Abedin is Clinton’s longest-serving and, by all accounts, most loyal aide. The devout, Saudi-raised Muslim started working for her in the White House, then followed her to the Senate and later the State Department. She’s now helping run Clinton’s presidential campaign as vice chair and may end up back in the White House.

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