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So Huma's mother's and Hillary's husband's resumes and views - not Huma and Hillary's, which you remain quiet on - are your primary evidence that Clinton is not an advocate for women's rights?

That's a pretty backwards view of human agency, to be honest with you.

And I'm not disregarding the relationship. I commented on it directly. What did I say about it?

Drop the talking points and let's actually have a dialogue. You used to be better than this, man.

ETA: I find it humorous that "disproven" allegations for Trump clear him of wrongdoing, but "disproven" allegations for Clinton are further proof of her guilt. I use quotation marks because neither has been convicted or anything (at least that we have been talking about) and most of the proof - Clinton's congressional hearing(s) notwithstanding - appears to be hearsay.
 
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Hold up, Huma gets a pass from you despite the fact she was assistant editor for the publication? So if Trump's number one assistant spent years working for a publication that blamed the US for 9/11 and attacked womens rights and gays, that would be no biggie in your mind? Do you think the media would ignore it as they largely have when it comes to what Huma did? Be honest and drop the bullshit. If you spend years as assistant editor for a magazine that espouses anti-woman/anti-gay/anti-American garbage, you're a part of the problem. You think someone who works as editor for a neo-Nazi publication while being married to a Jew should get a pass? And for you to say I've been quiet on Hillary's views shows why engaging in this discussion is a waste of time. It doesn't matter what I say, you either outright ignore it or dismiss it. So the women who were victimized- no big deal, "tabloid trash". Her close ties to the Saudis and othe despotic regimes with deplorable human rights records that have donated millions- not a concern. Hillary gave a speech at the UN in her role as SOS and has routinely pandered to women in an effort to gain political power- great. Has she taken on her Saudi masters and seriously fought for the rights of women in Saudi Arabia? Where is the fucking courage? Cause all I see time and again is a cynical politician doing whatever it takes to get power and maintain it- and if that means going after the women her husband abused so be it. And despite what you say you clearly give zero fucks and have bought into the spin hook, line, and sinker. And as far as the allegations against Trump and Clinton assaulting/raping women/children somehow being on similar footing- you haven't even looked into the allegations in any meaningful way and you know it. You just repeated Trump has been accused of multiple allegations of rape without even knowijg what Ivanka (who Trump has a good relationship with) has said or who the person was pushing that other allegation. I encourage you to go read the Guardian article about him. It's truly nuts. So we have two accusations I'm aware of- one from a wife who retracted it and one being pushed by a guy who worked for Jerry Springer. With Clinton I think there are at least 18 women and 1 who was a child (connected to the Lolita Airlines scandal) who have made accusations. Granted, it's usually he said, she said in these cases. But I can think of at least one instance where there is a witness who saw the bite marks, bloody lip, ripped pany hose, and how traumatized the woman was after Bill assaulted her. And Hillary, your champion of women, was his enabler for years.
 
WFFaithful said:
ITT: Verbal abuse is just liberal PC bullshit
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ITT, people like yourself who regularly insult (abuse) others, try to craft an equivalency between Trump calling a pageant winner who is contractually obligated to be thin "Ms. Piggy" with Bill Clinton's raping and sexual assaults.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
ITT, people like yourself who regularly insult (abuse) others, try to craft an equivalency between Trump calling a pageant winner who is contractually obligated to be thin "Ms. Piggy" with Bill Clinton's raping and sexual assaults.
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Have I insulted you? Do I regularly call you names as Mr. Trump does through public events and media outlets? Has Mr. Trump not also been accused of rape and sexual assault? Has Mr. Trump not committed adultery? Has Mr. Trump not participated in a porn video?
 
EatLeadCommie said:
Trump is a blowhard and has no established political worldview. I mean, he does, but it is a bit ambiguous to say the least. And when you couple that with the fact that Hillary is (1) a Clinton, (2) incompetent, and (3) way too ambitious for comfort, there is no way I'd consider voting for her. It doesn't help that she's a Democrat, but if it were Jim Webb or somebody, he'd likely get my vote. I do realize that every politician has a bit too much ambition, but the way in which her career has played out is especially sickening. Riding hubby's coattails, sticking with hubby because she knew she needed his coattails, becoming a Senator in a state she never lived in and sitting around for 6 years, parlaying that into a failed campaign, and parlaying that into a failed stint as SoS.

So who is left? Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, basically. I've pulled the lever for libertarians before (2008 general election) and have no problem doing so again. I'm under no illusions that he'd actually win, but want to see them get federal funds in the next election, assuming the Dems and Pubs don't collude to retroactively deprive them of those funds by making the threshold a percentage point above whatever Johnson ends up getting, which wouldn't surprise me. $90 million is a lot of money for a 3rd party. That to me is why a vote for Johnson is not a wasted vote. It serves a very specific purpose, and Washington DC ignores or dismisses guys like Johnson (and even Trump, who is also anti-establishment) at their own peril. It will get worse before it gets better.
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Trump is just this happy-go-lucky guy win or lose.
 
WFFaithful said:
Have I insulted you? Do I regularly call you names as Mr. Trump does through public events and media outlets? Has Mr. Trump not also been accused of rape and sexual assault? Has Mr. Trump not committed adultery? Has Mr. Trump not participated in a porn video?
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Have you insulted me? Yes. Do you regularly call me names? Yes. Has Trump been accused of rape?
"Donald Trump's Ex-Wife Ivana Disavows Old 'Rape' Allegation"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-wife-ivana-disavows-rape-allegation/story?id=32732204
Donald Trump's first wife, Ivana Trump, said today that she is "the best of friends" with her ex-husband, responding to a report in the Daily Beast on Monday that cited her 1989 divorce case deposition in which the former Mrs. Trump claimed Trump allegedly raped her once.

A statement today from Ivana Trump appeared to refute the allegations in the deposition, which were revealed in a 1993 book, "The Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump."

"I have recently read some comments attributed to me from nearly 30 years ago at a time of very high tension during my divorce from Donald," she said in the statement today. "The story is totally without merit. Donald and I are the best of friends and together have raised 3 children that we love and are very proud of."

Ivana Trump had already walked back the rape allegation in 1993 as the book was about to be published.
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As far as the other charge, about Trump raping a child:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow
A publicist using the pseudonym “Al Taylor” is acting as a representative for Johnson, and has been shopping around to media outlets a video of a woman who wears a disguise while recounting the allegations against Trump. “Taylor” said in telephone calls last month that he was seeking $1m for the tape. Jezebel has published a segment of the video along with a detailed account of how the allegations against Trump were being pushed to reporters.

A telephone number and an email address used by “Taylor” have also been used by Lubow, according to three sources who have worked with them. A longtime associate of Lubow also told the Guardian that Lubow used the identity “Al Taylor”.

“Taylor” told the Guardian that he helped the alleged victim Johnson put together her first lawsuit against Trump, which was filed in California earlier this year. “She is a friend of mine,” he said, declining to make her available for interview.

He then became threatening when asked more about his motivations in seeking the money for the video and about his true identity. “Just be warned: we’ll sue you if we don’t like what you write,” he said. “We’ll sue your ass, own your ass and own your newspaper’s ass as well, punk.”

In 2011, “Al Taylor” claimed to cable news channels and gossip websites that he was negotiating a $1m deal for an exclusive TV interview with Casey Anthony, who was acquitted in a high-profile trial in Florida of killing her young daughter. Anthony’s attorneys denied the claims and the interview never took place.
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You should read the entire article at the Guardian. Anyway, I think you're creating a false equivalency between these two incidents and all the women that have been been associated with Clinton. Norma Rogers went with Juanita Broaddrick on the day she went to meet with Bill Clinton. She saw her immediately after Broaddrick said Clinton raped her. This is what she said:
“She was crying,” recalled Norma Rogers, a nurse who worked for Broaddrick, who at the time was a nursing home administrator volunteering for then-Arkansas Attorney General Bill Clinton’s 1978 gubernatorial bid.

“And the thing I think I remember most is that her mouth was all swollen up. It was cut. … Her pantyhose were all ripped,” Rogers stated in dramatic new testimony.
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Keep in mind, this isn't alleged rape victim Broaddrick, this is someone else that can corroborate what happened to her, which is rare in many of these incidents where it's often he said/she said. Yes, Trump has said sexist things, but that's nowhere near on par with being the predator Bill Clinton was.
Has Mr. Trump committed adultery? I think it's likely he has. And while that's scummy as long as it was consensual it's not a big deal. The problem with Clinton's consensual affairs is that Hillary often participated in intimidating or discrediting the women once the affairs became public. Not to mention she stood by Bill every time. That's nothing to be applauded in my opinion.

Has Mr. Trump not participated in a porn video?
My understanding is it was a softcore flick and involved Trump popping a bottle of champagne in a limo with some Playboy playmates around him. It lasted all of a matter of seconds. Big deal.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
Has Mr. Trump not participated in a porn video?
My understanding is it was a softcore flick and involved Trump popping a bottle of champagne in a limo with some Playboy playmates around him. It lasted all of a matter of seconds. Big deal.
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This, in conjunction with his demonstrably small penis, might offer us some indication of why he has had so many unsuccessful marriages.
 
I think bsf4l legitimately believes Bill Clinton is running for president. Or something.
 
wakephan09 said:
This, in conjunction with his demonstrably small penis, might offer us some indication of why he has had so many unsuccessful marriages.
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It was just part of a montage at the beginning of the flick- the chicks on the town in NYC. He wasn't fucking them, at least not on camera. And as he told Little Marco, he does alright.
 
Strickland33 said:
I think bsf4l legitimately believes Bill Clinton is running for president. Or something.
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I believe you legitimately refuse to admit you're voting for a complete scumbag, or something. Don't waste my time asking me for my opinion if you're just gonna ignore what I say.
 
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Not a very well-constructed tweet. But I do agree with him, Trump is awful.
 
I mean, we could trust Joe Rogan and BSF to tell us how women feel about Trump and Clinton, but there are scientific polls and an actual election for that. When we want to know how white male conspiracy theorist marine biologists feel, we know exactly who to ask.

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Champion of women? So why the edits?
 
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