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Hillary Clinton and First Lady Michelle Obama Speaking in the Joel

BobStackFan4Life said:
If that's the case you'd think they could have just taken down some of the curtains they used to block out the empty seats. Anyway, good for Hillary for having her biggest ever crowd. I'm guessing Michelle being there helped a lot. Meanwhile, Trump had 20,000 show up for his recent rally in Florida and the Clinton campaign announced they were cancelling the Tim Kaine appearance in Florida. Apparently after he only had 30 people show up for his last one, they figured it's not worth it.
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They did. All seats without an obstructed view were full plus folks filling the floor of the arena.
 
PhDeac said:
scooter, just look it up. Google purge voter rolls. I don't recall any large voter purges of active voters initiated by Democrats.

I do realize I made a mistake bringing this up here. I don't want to draw a false equivalency between what scooter thinks is happening and what is actually happening.
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I'm seeing lots of reports of shenanigans being directed at Republicans, particularly in Florida, Texas, and VA so far. But I realize this goes both ways and Pubs have been busted for this sort of thing in the past.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
I'm seeing lots of reports of shenanigans being directed at Republicans, particularly in Florida, Texas, and VA so far. But I realize this goes both ways and Pubs have been busted for this sort of thing in the past.
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"I've seen evidence that Republicans do this and I know they've been caught doing this in the past but I assume Dems do it too so it's all good."
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
If that's the case you'd think they could have just taken down some of the curtains they used to block out the empty seats. Anyway, good for Hillary for having her biggest ever crowd. I'm guessing Michelle being there helped a lot. Meanwhile, Trump had 20,000 show up for his recent rally in Florida and the Clinton campaign announced they were cancelling the Tim Kaine appearance in Florida. Apparently after he only had 30 people show up for his last one, they figured it's not worth it.
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Curtains were up in the upper level starting at 11:30 am. As more people came in they removed the curtains, one section at a time. They eventually removed all the curtains, and there were no empty seats in LJVM (except for those behind the stage, which were kept open for security reasons). Wherever you are getting information on this event, it's wrong. You really should question your source.
 
Rafi said:
Curtains were up in the upper level starting at 11:30 am. As more people came in they removed the curtains, one section at a time. They eventually removed all the curtains, and there were no empty seats in LJVM (except for those behind the stage, which were kept open for security reasons). Wherever you are getting information on this event, it's wrong. You really should question your source.
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dv7 was there- I can reveal he is my source though I should make clear we ARE NOT friends.
 
That was reported in MSNBC you numpty

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deacvision7 said:
My nephew is behind the podium on the bleachers! Going to get some face time, the handsome devil!


Joel is getting very full (Michelle brings 'em out!) but many sections are blocked off for some reason.
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deacvision7 said:
That was reported in MSNBC you numpty

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And "numpty" makes it sound like we're friends, which we're definitely not. (You're far too hateful and unpleasant)
 
Surely you can understand that rejecting ballots is much different than denying people the opportunity to vote at all. And if your only close to relevant example is from 16 years ago...

I read about a 100 year old black woman who was purged from voter rolls because she gets her mail delivered to a PO Box rather than her home address.
 
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PhDeac said:
Surely you can understand that rejecting ballots is much different than denying people the opportunity to vote at all. And if your only close to relevant example is from 16 years ago...

I read about a 100 year old black woman who was purged from voter rolls because she gets her mail delivered to a PO Box rather than her home address.
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Dems in Chicago have been using block captains to poll voters prior to the election for generations, finding out who was going to vote. If you know someone is not going to vote then you can have someone go vote for them. Voting shenanigans of all types happen on both sides. Surely you people can't be naive enough to think it is limited to one side or the other - I am certain republicans have done bad things.
 
scooter84 said:
Dems in Chicago have been using block captains to poll voters prior to the election for generations, finding out who was going to vote. If you know someone is not going to vote then you can have someone go vote for them. Voting shenanigans of all types happen on both sides. Surely you people can't be naive enough to think it is limited to one side or the other - I am certain republicans have done bad things.
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Republicans put people with guns and badges near polling places. Their actions were so egregious that they have been under a federal consent decree for about thirty-five years. The Dems haven't.
 
scooter84 said:
Dems in Chicago have been using block captains to poll voters prior to the election for generations, finding out who was going to vote. If you know someone is not going to vote then you can have someone go vote for them. Voting shenanigans of all types happen on both sides. Surely you people can't be naive enough to think it is limited to one side or the other - I am certain republicans have done bad things.
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Oh yes they can.
 
PhDeac said:
Surely you can understand that rejecting ballots is much different than denying people the opportunity to vote at all. And if your only close to relevant example is from 16 years ago...

I read about a 100 year old black woman who was purged from voter rolls because she gets her mail delivered to a PO Box rather than her home address.
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No, its not different. A suppressed vote is the same no matter what means are taken to get there.
 
I was talking about purging voter rolls. You're talking about something different. I don't even remember the military ballots. Refresh my memory. Feel free to provide links to other Dem suppression efforts.

scooter, you're making assumptions with no evidence.
 
PhDeac said:
I was talking about purging voter rolls. You're talking about something different. I don't even remember the military ballots. Refresh my memory. Feel free to provide links to other Dem suppression efforts.

scooter, you're making assumptions with no evidence.
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OK, so republicans commit rampant voter fraud and suppression and the dems do not. Really? The democratic efforts to block voter ID laws make many types of voter fraud very difficult to catch. If we don't catch it, it's not happening, right? I can't argue based on evidence b/c I don't have time to do the research and, as I said, there isn't a lot of evidence. In places like Chicago, a democratic stronghold, voting manipulation has been a way of life for decades. It is just one of those things that 'everyone knows'. If you want to refuse to acknowledge it, that is fine - I don't really care.
 
scooter84 said:
OK, so republicans commit rampant voter fraud and suppression and the dems do not. Really? The democratic efforts to block voter ID laws make many types of voter fraud very difficult to catch. If we don't catch it, it's not happening, right? I can't argue based on evidence b/c I don't have time to do the research and, as I said, there isn't a lot of evidence. In places like Chicago, a democratic stronghold, voting manipulation has been a way of life for decades. It is just one of those things that 'everyone knows'. If you want to refuse to acknowledge it, that is fine - I don't really care.
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How about this evidence?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...le-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

http://www.governing.com/news/headlines/tt-voter-id-study-news-21.html

How about Republicans saying the purpose of the laws were to keep down Dem votes?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...r-id-laws-are-aimed-at-democratic-voters.html

http://billmoyers.com/2014/10/24/voter-discrimination/

"Georgia state Senator Fran Millar (R-Dunwoody) wrote an angry op-ed following the news that DeKalb County, part of which he represents, will permit early voting on the last Sunday in October. The voting will take place at the Gallery at South DeKalb mall. Here’s what Millar wrote in The Atlanta-Journal Constitution: “[T]his location is dominated by African-American shoppers and it is near several large African-American mega churches such as New Birth Missionary Baptist… Is it possible church buses will be used to transport people directly to the mall since the poll will open when the mall opens? If this happens, so much for the accepted principle of separation of church and state.” Millar, who is senior deputy whip for the Georgia Senate Republicans, promised to put an end to Sunday balloting in DeKalb County when state lawmakers assemble in the Capitol in January."

"Doug Preis: An Ohio GOP Chair Says We Shouldn’t Accommodate the “Urban — Read African-American — Voter-Turnout Machine”

In 2012, Republican officials in Ohio were limiting early voting hours in Democratic-majority counties, while expanding them on nights and weekends in Republican counties. In response to public outcry, Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted mandated the same early voting hours in all 88 Ohio counties. He kept early voting hours from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. on weekdays from October 2 to 19 and broadened hours from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m. from October 22 to November 2. But he refused to expand voting hours beyond 7 p.m. during the week, on weekends or three days prior to the election — which is when voting is most convenient for many working-class Ohioans. Here’s what the Franklin Party (Columbus) Ohio GOP chair, Doug Preis, and close adviser to Ohio Gov. John Kasich, said about limiting early voting. “I guess I really actually feel we shouldn’t contort the voting process to accommodate the urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine.” (And yes, he actually said “read African-American,” that wasn’t inserted.)"

DEMOCRACY & GOVERNMENT
Unbelievable GOP Statements on Voter Suppression
October 24, 2014
by Karin Kamp


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You would think that making it easier for citizens to vote would be something for everyone in a democracy to celebrate. But the shocking remarks by these six government officials — some of whom will be on the November ballot — tell a different story.

Governor Chris Christie: Same-Day Voter Registration Is a “Trick” and GOP Needs to Win Gubernatorial Races So They Control “Voting Mechanisms”

Gov. Chris Christie during a campaign stop in Connecticut for Republican gubernatorial candidate Tom Foley. (AP)
Gov. Chris Christie during a campaign stop in Connecticut for Republican gubernatorial candidate Tom Foley. (AP)

Earlier this week, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie spoke at a US Chamber of Commerce gathering in Washington, DC. In his comments, The Record reports that Christie “pushed further into the contentious debate over voting rights than ever before, saying Tuesday that Republicans need to win gubernatorial races this year so that they’re the ones controlling ‘voting mechanisms’ going into the next presidential election.”

This isn’t the first time Christie’s come clean about GOP intentions at the ballot box. In August, while campaigning in Chicago for Bruce Rauner, the GOP candidate challenging Gov. Pat Quinn, Christie complained that Illinois would become the 11th state to permit same-day voter registration this November — a move supporters say will increase turnout and improve access. Christie didn’t see it that way, calling it an underhanded Democratic get-out-the-vote tactic. Christie said of Quinn: “I see the stuff that’s going on. Same-day registration all of a sudden this year comes to Illinois. Shocking,” he added sarcastically. “I’m sure it was all based upon public policy, good public policy to get same-day registration here in Illinois just this year, when the governor is in the toilet and needs as much help as he can get.” He added that the voter registration program is designed to be a major “obstacle” for Republican gubernatorial candidates.

Fran Millar: Georgia Senator Complains About Polling Place Being Too Convenient for Black Voters


Georgia state Senator Fran Millar (R-Dunwoody) wrote an angry op-ed following the news that DeKalb County, part of which he represents, will permit early voting on the last Sunday in October. The voting will take place at the Gallery at South DeKalb mall. Here’s what Millar wrote in The Atlanta-Journal Constitution: “[T]his location is dominated by African-American shoppers and it is near several large African-American mega churches such as New Birth Missionary Baptist… Is it possible church buses will be used to transport people directly to the mall since the poll will open when the mall opens? If this happens, so much for the accepted principle of separation of church and state.” Millar, who is senior deputy whip for the Georgia Senate Republicans, promised to put an end to Sunday balloting in DeKalb County when state lawmakers assemble in the Capitol in January.

Doug Preis: An Ohio GOP Chair Says We Shouldn’t Accommodate the “Urban — Read African-American — Voter-Turnout Machine”

In 2012, Republican officials in Ohio were limiting early voting hours in Democratic-majority counties, while expanding them on nights and weekends in Republican counties. In response to public outcry, Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted mandated the same early voting hours in all 88 Ohio counties. He kept early voting hours from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. on weekdays from October 2 to 19 and broadened hours from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m. from October 22 to November 2. But he refused to expand voting hours beyond 7 p.m. during the week, on weekends or three days prior to the election — which is when voting is most convenient for many working-class Ohioans. Here’s what the Franklin Party (Columbus) Ohio GOP chair, Doug Preis, and close adviser to Ohio Gov. John Kasich, said about limiting early voting. “I guess I really actually feel we shouldn’t contort the voting process to accommodate the urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine.” (And yes, he actually said “read African-American,” that wasn’t inserted.)


The 2010 Census results showed that 89 percent of the population growth in Texas came from minorities, but “when it came to fitting those new seats in the map, Republican lawmakers made sure three of them favored Republicans, who tend to be white,” according to the Associated Press. The Justice Department claims that Texas lawmakers intentionally redrew the state’s congressional districts in order to dilute the Hispanic vote. Attorney General Greg Abbott, who is running for governor of Texas, wrote the following in a letter to the Department of Justice defending the state’s voting maps:

“DOJ’s accusations of racial discrimination are baseless. In 2011, both houses of the Texas Legislature were controlled by large Republican majorities, and their redistricting decisions were designed to increase the Republican Party’s electoral prospects at the expense of the Democrats. It is perfectly constitutional for a Republican-controlled legislature to make partisan districting decisions, even if there are incidental effects on minority voters who support Democratic candidates.”


While running for a Florida congressional seat in 2012, Ted Yoho suggested that only property owners should have the right to vote, as you can watch in this video. Here’s what he said: “I’ve had some radical ideas about voting and it’s probably not a good time to tell them, but you used to have to be a property owner to vote.” He also called early voting by absentee ballots “a travesty.” And yes, Yoho won the election, and is now a member of Congress.

Don Yelton: North Carolina GOP Precinct Chair: Voter ID Law Will “Kick Democrats in the Butt” and Hurt “Lazy Blacks”


"In an interview last year with The Daily Show, Don Yelton, a GOP precinct chair in Buncombe County, North Carolina, defended the state’s new voter ID law, saying so many offensive things, he was asked to resign the day after it aired. Yelton admits at the start of the segment that the number of Buncombe County residents who commit voter fraud is one or two out of 60,000 a year. The interview correspondent, Aasif Mandvi, replies that those numbers show “there’s enough voter fraud to sway zero elections,” and then Yelton replies, “Mmmm…that’s not the point.” He goes on to say that “if it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks that want the government to give them everything, so be it.” and then adds, “The law is going to kick the Democrats in the butt.” After the segment aired, the Buncombe County GOP Chair issued a statement on Yelton’s comments, calling them “offensive, uniformed and unacceptable of any member within the Republican Party” and called for Yelton’s resignation. He obliged."

But NO amount of sourced materials will matter to scooter. He'll find an excuse to justify the voter suppression laws.
 
RJKarl said:
How about this evidence?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...le-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

http://www.governing.com/news/headlines/tt-voter-id-study-news-21.html

How about Republicans saying the purpose of the laws were to keep down Dem votes?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...r-id-laws-are-aimed-at-democratic-voters.html

http://billmoyers.com/2014/10/24/voter-discrimination/

"Georgia state Senator Fran Millar (R-Dunwoody) wrote an angry op-ed following the news that DeKalb County, part of which he represents, will permit early voting on the last Sunday in October. The voting will take place at the Gallery at South DeKalb mall. Here’s what Millar wrote in The Atlanta-Journal Constitution: “[T]his location is dominated by African-American shoppers and it is near several large African-American mega churches such as New Birth Missionary Baptist… Is it possible church buses will be used to transport people directly to the mall since the poll will open when the mall opens? If this happens, so much for the accepted principle of separation of church and state.” Millar, who is senior deputy whip for the Georgia Senate Republicans, promised to put an end to Sunday balloting in DeKalb County when state lawmakers assemble in the Capitol in January."

"Doug Preis: An Ohio GOP Chair Says We Shouldn’t Accommodate the “Urban — Read African-American — Voter-Turnout Machine”

In 2012, Republican officials in Ohio were limiting early voting hours in Democratic-majority counties, while expanding them on nights and weekends in Republican counties. In response to public outcry, Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted mandated the same early voting hours in all 88 Ohio counties. He kept early voting hours from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. on weekdays from October 2 to 19 and broadened hours from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m. from October 22 to November 2. But he refused to expand voting hours beyond 7 p.m. during the week, on weekends or three days prior to the election — which is when voting is most convenient for many working-class Ohioans. Here’s what the Franklin Party (Columbus) Ohio GOP chair, Doug Preis, and close adviser to Ohio Gov. John Kasich, said about limiting early voting. “I guess I really actually feel we shouldn’t contort the voting process to accommodate the urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine.” (And yes, he actually said “read African-American,” that wasn’t inserted.)"

DEMOCRACY & GOVERNMENT
Unbelievable GOP Statements on Voter Suppression
October 24, 2014
by Karin Kamp


submit to redditShare1.5K
You would think that making it easier for citizens to vote would be something for everyone in a democracy to celebrate. But the shocking remarks by these six government officials — some of whom will be on the November ballot — tell a different story.

Governor Chris Christie: Same-Day Voter Registration Is a “Trick” and GOP Needs to Win Gubernatorial Races So They Control “Voting Mechanisms”

Gov. Chris Christie during a campaign stop in Connecticut for Republican gubernatorial candidate Tom Foley. (AP)
Gov. Chris Christie during a campaign stop in Connecticut for Republican gubernatorial candidate Tom Foley. (AP)

Earlier this week, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie spoke at a US Chamber of Commerce gathering in Washington, DC. In his comments, The Record reports that Christie “pushed further into the contentious debate over voting rights than ever before, saying Tuesday that Republicans need to win gubernatorial races this year so that they’re the ones controlling ‘voting mechanisms’ going into the next presidential election.”

This isn’t the first time Christie’s come clean about GOP intentions at the ballot box. In August, while campaigning in Chicago for Bruce Rauner, the GOP candidate challenging Gov. Pat Quinn, Christie complained that Illinois would become the 11th state to permit same-day voter registration this November — a move supporters say will increase turnout and improve access. Christie didn’t see it that way, calling it an underhanded Democratic get-out-the-vote tactic. Christie said of Quinn: “I see the stuff that’s going on. Same-day registration all of a sudden this year comes to Illinois. Shocking,” he added sarcastically. “I’m sure it was all based upon public policy, good public policy to get same-day registration here in Illinois just this year, when the governor is in the toilet and needs as much help as he can get.” He added that the voter registration program is designed to be a major “obstacle” for Republican gubernatorial candidates.

Fran Millar: Georgia Senator Complains About Polling Place Being Too Convenient for Black Voters


Georgia state Senator Fran Millar (R-Dunwoody) wrote an angry op-ed following the news that DeKalb County, part of which he represents, will permit early voting on the last Sunday in October. The voting will take place at the Gallery at South DeKalb mall. Here’s what Millar wrote in The Atlanta-Journal Constitution: “[T]his location is dominated by African-American shoppers and it is near several large African-American mega churches such as New Birth Missionary Baptist… Is it possible church buses will be used to transport people directly to the mall since the poll will open when the mall opens? If this happens, so much for the accepted principle of separation of church and state.” Millar, who is senior deputy whip for the Georgia Senate Republicans, promised to put an end to Sunday balloting in DeKalb County when state lawmakers assemble in the Capitol in January.

Doug Preis: An Ohio GOP Chair Says We Shouldn’t Accommodate the “Urban — Read African-American — Voter-Turnout Machine”

In 2012, Republican officials in Ohio were limiting early voting hours in Democratic-majority counties, while expanding them on nights and weekends in Republican counties. In response to public outcry, Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted mandated the same early voting hours in all 88 Ohio counties. He kept early voting hours from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. on weekdays from October 2 to 19 and broadened hours from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m. from October 22 to November 2. But he refused to expand voting hours beyond 7 p.m. during the week, on weekends or three days prior to the election — which is when voting is most convenient for many working-class Ohioans. Here’s what the Franklin Party (Columbus) Ohio GOP chair, Doug Preis, and close adviser to Ohio Gov. John Kasich, said about limiting early voting. “I guess I really actually feel we shouldn’t contort the voting process to accommodate the urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine.” (And yes, he actually said “read African-American,” that wasn’t inserted.)


The 2010 Census results showed that 89 percent of the population growth in Texas came from minorities, but “when it came to fitting those new seats in the map, Republican lawmakers made sure three of them favored Republicans, who tend to be white,” according to the Associated Press. The Justice Department claims that Texas lawmakers intentionally redrew the state’s congressional districts in order to dilute the Hispanic vote. Attorney General Greg Abbott, who is running for governor of Texas, wrote the following in a letter to the Department of Justice defending the state’s voting maps:

“DOJ’s accusations of racial discrimination are baseless. In 2011, both houses of the Texas Legislature were controlled by large Republican majorities, and their redistricting decisions were designed to increase the Republican Party’s electoral prospects at the expense of the Democrats. It is perfectly constitutional for a Republican-controlled legislature to make partisan districting decisions, even if there are incidental effects on minority voters who support Democratic candidates.”


While running for a Florida congressional seat in 2012, Ted Yoho suggested that only property owners should have the right to vote, as you can watch in this video. Here’s what he said: “I’ve had some radical ideas about voting and it’s probably not a good time to tell them, but you used to have to be a property owner to vote.” He also called early voting by absentee ballots “a travesty.” And yes, Yoho won the election, and is now a member of Congress.

Don Yelton: North Carolina GOP Precinct Chair: Voter ID Law Will “Kick Democrats in the Butt” and Hurt “Lazy Blacks”


"In an interview last year with The Daily Show, Don Yelton, a GOP precinct chair in Buncombe County, North Carolina, defended the state’s new voter ID law, saying so many offensive things, he was asked to resign the day after it aired. Yelton admits at the start of the segment that the number of Buncombe County residents who commit voter fraud is one or two out of 60,000 a year. The interview correspondent, Aasif Mandvi, replies that those numbers show “there’s enough voter fraud to sway zero elections,” and then Yelton replies, “Mmmm…that’s not the point.” He goes on to say that “if it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks that want the government to give them everything, so be it.” and then adds, “The law is going to kick the Democrats in the butt.” After the segment aired, the Buncombe County GOP Chair issued a statement on Yelton’s comments, calling them “offensive, uniformed and unacceptable of any member within the Republican Party” and called for Yelton’s resignation. He obliged."

But NO amount of sourced materials will matter to scooter. He'll find an excuse to justify the voter suppression laws.
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I'm not going to read all that but I can assume what it says. The only law I have even mentioned was voter ID. And I unapologetically feel it only logical to require an ID to vote. I was amazed the first time I voted and didn't have to show any kind of ID - it makes no sense to me. There are ways to make it ridiculously easy to get an id, if you don't have one. If someone has the wherewithal to want to get out and vote, then they can get the ID they need. I don't believe that is voter suppression.
 
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