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Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: Commander will kill us all

ImTheCaptain said:
the state level
the judiciary
the executive is very much a possible retention not to mention the conservative tentacles now buried throughout the bureaucracy
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there's also a moral imperative to uh, not do terrible shit just because it's a winning strategy
 
TownieDeac said:
there's also a moral imperative to uh, not do terrible shit just because it's a winning strategy
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I agree.

If it takes constant lying, fear mongering, cheating, and corruption then forget that.

But I don’t think it does (see Obama).

I do think Dems need someone who is well able to winsomely articulate reasonably progressive ideas and things like border security (and immigration reform etc.), gun rights (and much better regulation), etc.

So far the candidate that seems to me to have the best smarts and savvy to generate broad appeal is mayor Pete. But I’m not confident he can win the nomination. We’ll see.
 
Well, congrats that he recognizes publicly what a shit show has become of the Republican Party.

Not sure what he wants is better, however.
 
Whoops meant to post those two tweets in the gop debacle thread not here. Those are messages for trumpist rubes like sailor.
 
Although considering sailor ignores anything anti trump/gop, I probably inadvertently posted to the correct thread.
 
MichDeac25 said:
"I don't want to send US Rep. Omar back; I want to send her to the nearest television greenroom. I think she and The Squad ought to speak as freely and in front of a camera as often as possible. Every time they do, they continue to become the face of the national Democratic Party.

No matter whom the Democrats nominate for president, the message and policies of The Squad will make up the heart of the nominee's platform. This is a disaster for the Democrats and a gift to the GOP, which is fighting to reassure educated suburban voters to stick with them. Sure, they may not love Trump's behavior or rhetoric on some issues, but they'll take a good economy and secure border over socialism, higher taxes and open borders any day.

This is a beautiful thing for Trump. The Squad jerks its party leftward every day; its members represent extremely blue, urban districts that just don't match the battleground states Democrats need to win to deny Trump a second term."

Op-ed on CNN from a Republican operative. https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/19/opinions/squad-is-a-gift-to-trump-jennings/index.html
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So MichDeac's opinions on democratic politics are about as worthwhile as his opinions on our shitshow of a basketball program.
 
DeaconSig said:
So MichDeac's opinions on democratic politics are about as worthwhile as his opinions on our shitshow of a basketball program.
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Why post your opinions when you can hide behind OP-eds? The socialists want to steal and eat your white children!!
 
It's always interesting at how news media sources love to post articles from Republicans giving political advice to Democrats, yet they rarely show any interest in posting similar articles from Democrats to Republicans. And almost invariably, the "advice" from these Republicans is that Democrats need to be more like Republicans in their policies and actions, and to ignore the liberals that make up most of the party's base. It's the GOP's ultimate dream - American politics would consist of one extreme right-wing party and one party that's still Republican Lite if they happen to lose an election here and there. No real progressivism at all.
 
Because Democrats have reliably taken Republican advice. It is pathetic how many Dems I’ve seen sharing these advice columns from Pubs.
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ys-finances-of-americans-over-50-studies-show

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All time great headline:

[h=1]Moderate Democrats Warn That AOC Is Distracting From Their Nonexistent Message[/h]http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/moderate-house-democrats-the-squad-trump-racism-media-aoc-pelosi.html

f your goal is to galvanize media attention around bread-and-butter issues, whining to Jake Tapper seems like a less effective tactic than, say, taking interesting stances on bread-and-butter issues. And yet, as Vox’s Matt Yglesias notes, it has been House moderates — not Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, or AOC — who have prevented House Democrats from advancing several of their most compelling messaging bills. Nancy Pelosi’s caucus finally passed a $15 federal minimum wage Thursday. But Pelosi had promised to pass that (popular) policy within 100 hours after assuming the speakership. Instead, it has taken seven months for her to grind down moderate opposition.

Meanwhile, centrist Democrats have blocked their party from passing a bill that would allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices, a measure that would effectively transfer large sums of money out of Big Pharma’s profit margins and into seniors’ pockets. This a winning issue in every district in the country (at least, if you value the approval of voters more than lobbyists). A recent Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that 86 percent of Americans approve of Medicare negotiating lower drug prices. There is a reason that Donald Trump pretended to support such a policy through the bulk of his presidential campaign, and is now desperately searching for more industry-friendly means of pushing down the cost of pharmaceuticals. The GOP cannot compete at the national level without winning an outsize share of older voters. And older voters cannot stomach the rising cost of their pills. This gives Democrats a golden opportunity to expand their coalition by gaining the upper hand on a high-salience issue: As the party that’s less allergic to price controls, they’re well-positioned to give a right-leaning constituency something it desperately wants, but cannot get from the GOP.

But moderate Democrats aren’t letting them.
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If Blue Dogs want to steal a share of the spotlight from AOC, they could organize rallies protesting the most egregious of the Trump administration’s environmental policies. If they’re worried that their party’s focus on anti-racism leaves white voters feeling like their issues don’t count, they could denounce the president’s demagoguery as a willful distraction, meant to hypnotize culturally conservative Americans while his corporate cronies poison their air.


Or, if environmentalism isn’t the Blue Dogs’ bag, they could focus on Trump’s lax approach to white-collar crime:
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Granted, some vulnerable Democratic lawmakers may believe that taking a confrontational stance toward the president or his party on any issue is not in their political interest. Rather, they may feel that their voters want a representative who displays a thirst for bipartisanship, and less enmity for Donald Trump than for liberal Democrats.


And maybe some of them are right. But if that is the case — if all such Democrats have to offer is the most milquetoast of messaging bills and paeans to bipartisanship — then why would they ever expect their “agenda” to attract more media attention than “the squad”?


If your mission in politics is to cower from controversy — even on issues where your party has a clear advantage, and your constituents have a vital interest — then you shouldn’t be surprised when people aren’t interested in all of the nothing that you have to say.
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To be fair, it's hard to hear a cohesive message over the "No We Can't!" chants at the centrist rallies.
 
PhDeac said:
All time great headline:

[h=1]Moderate Democrats Warn That AOC Is Distracting From Their Nonexistent Message[/h]http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/moderate-house-democrats-the-squad-trump-racism-media-aoc-pelosi.html







To be fair, it's hard to hear a cohesive message over the "No We Can't!" chants at the centrist rallies.
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Yeah, all of these centrist Democrats can complain all they want about the progressives taking the party "too far left" or whatever, but until they develop a compelling program and message of their own, and the ability to effectively sell it, all they're doing is leaving a void that somebody will fill. The record of centrists in presidential and congressional races hasn't been all that impressive in the 21st Century. Gore lost, Kerry lost, Obama won twice, and then Hillary lost (and none of those candidates were "far left" by any means). If you look at congressional and state legislature races since 2000 their record, outside of 2006, 2008, and 2018, is even worse.
 
NED's radical centrists are backing a republican over an incumbent democrat.

 
That framing seems fishy - I'm happy to raise my ire if wrong, but I find it hard to believe that eight freshman members of congress will back a Republican challenger to a member of their class.

The issue seems to be a PAC that donates, I'm guessing deliberately, 50/50 to Dems and Republicans. (And it's not limited to centrists, they donated to freaking Dan Crenshaw and Richard Ojeda.)

Interestingly, it seems the only listed name on the PAC, the treasurer, is also listed as the treasurer for PACs affiliated with Republicans James Inhofe and Dan Sullivan.

Link
 
A PAC that spends 50/50 is based on false equivalency and has no actual political perspective.
 
Great thread from a guy who ran two successful campaigns against David Duke in the early 90s.

 
MHBDemon said:
NED's radical centrists are backing a republican over an incumbent democrat.

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If that’s actually the case, that’s one of the dumbest centrist organizations I’ve seen.
 
DeaconSig said:
So MichDeac's opinions on democratic politics are about as worthwhile as his opinions on our shitshow of a basketball program.
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The Dems just lost an election in part because they had an unlikeable candidate who failed to appeal to moderate working class Americans. Your suggestion is to ignore that and move further left on issues that don't appeal to the mainstream and to fall in line with a few individuals from urban districts. Not a winning strategy in my opinion. While you may dismiss my opinion, the issue is relevant. (And I might add, there are high up dems who share my opinion.) There is a reason Fox News and then Trump have focused sharply on everything AOC and friends do. They view it as a winning strategy.
 
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