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Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: Commander will kill us all

Did 923 post this yet?

What's Wrong With the Democrats?


Pretty good long read I thought. It's kind toward Elizabeth Warren overall, but I liked this bit about improving messaging around income inquality:

Nor is Warren’s driving obsession wealth redistribution. That’s important politically, because many Americans simply don’t begrudge wealth, and “inequality” as a clarion call hasn’t stuck. (Indeed, Democrats have begun to shift away from inequality as a label for what ails America’s economy and culture. Some fear that white voters who are predisposed to racial resentments hear the word as code for a desire to transfer wealth from whites to blacks.)

Rather, Warren is most focused on the concept of fairness. A course she taught early in her career as a law professor, on contracts, got her thinking about the subject. (Fairness, after all, is a contract’s fundamental purpose.) A raw, moralistic conception of fairness—that people shouldn’t get screwed—would become the basis for her crusading. Although she shares Bernie Sanders’s contempt for Wall Street, she doesn’t share his democratic socialism. “I love markets—I believe in markets!” she told me. What drives her to rage is when bankers conspire with government regulators to subvert markets and rig the game. Over the years, she has claimed that it was a romantic view of capitalism that drew her to the Republican Party—and then the party’s infidelity to market principles drove her from it.
 
923 would have posted a link.
 
Franken/Warren 2020, calling it now.
 
Franken/Warren 2020, calling it now.

Not a chance in hell that happens. Franken is popular here, but not in the same vein as Amy Klobuchar. And if the right challenger were to come along I'm not sure Franken's popularity would hold up and he'd win re-election to the Senate. Klobuchar on the other hand is very much beloved in this state with wide ranging support that crosses party lines.. She'd clearly make a better candidate than Franken. And Warren? The party needs to move along from her and all the others who are perceived as having created the current mess the party finds itself in.
 
Not a chance in hell that happens. Franken is popular here, but not in the same vein as Amy Klobuchar. And if the right challenger were to come along I'm not sure Franken's popularity would hold up and he'd win re-election to the Senate. Klobuchar on the other hand is very much beloved in this state with wide ranging support that crosses party lines.. She'd clearly make a better candidate than Franken. And Warren? The party needs to move along from her and all the others who are perceived as having created the current mess the party finds itself in.

I'll put you down as disagreeing.
 
On a national scale I think Franken, right now, makes more sense. But who know what will happen by the time the 2020 cycle comes around (which will seemingly be right after next year's midterm elections)
 
Is there a Democrat named Stein anywhere?
 
i thought Franken was not interested
 
I am a big fan of Elizabeth Warren. I also think its OK to criticize politicians I like if I disagree with them or am suspicious of the timing of their statements. This is the part that upset me:

Warren will be 71 in 2020. The Dems haven't won with a candidate who was over 60 in his first attempt in nearly 100 years. Plus, it's time for a big change.

How about this list:

Castro
Klobuchar
Booker
Gillibrand
Duckworth
Newsome
 
On a national scale I think Franken, right now, makes more sense. But who know what will happen by the time the 2020 cycle comes around (which will seemingly be right after next year's midterm elections)

As I posted, if Hillary was going to pick an old white guy for VP, it should have been Franken. He could have been the perfect attack dog. He would have done it with humor and been effective in the middle of the country.

In an off year election that went for the GOP, and even after only winning by 312 votes the first time, Franken won by almost 11% his second time.
 
Sorry. Doesn't show up on tapatalk.
 
On a national scale I think Franken, right now, makes more sense. But who know what will happen by the time the 2020 cycle comes around (which will seemingly be right after next year's midterm elections)

Going by Trump, the 2020 cycle has already started. Or the 2016 cycle never ended. Hard to tell.
 
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